SR22 Crash - plane was upside down above the runway ?
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SR22 Crash - plane was upside down above the runway ?
May they rest in peace.. 4 died..
I have a question, how can a plane be upside down above the runway going in for their landing ?? Eye witness saw the plane was upside down ... ??
I can't understand, a serious windshear could make this happen ? or not ?
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http://www.ksfy.com/news/11846676.html
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...vym6AD8T5L0700
I have a question, how can a plane be upside down above the runway going in for their landing ?? Eye witness saw the plane was upside down ... ??
I can't understand, a serious windshear could make this happen ? or not ?
(click on watch the video)
http://www.ksfy.com/news/11846676.html
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...vym6AD8T5L0700
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All speculation of course, but some of the causes to end up inverted (inadvertently, that is) may be:
- Severe wind shear or turbulence (but I think that would require a windspeed which is well outside the published limits for a GA plane)
- Wake vortex
- Severe malfunction/loss of primary flight controls or their trim
- Loss of control, for instance in IMC, or the classic stall/spin scenario when turning final with not enough speed for the angle of bank used.
Note that so far it's just eyewitness reports, which in general can be very unreliable. A spin, for instance, may appear from some angles to be an inverted flight, especially if the witness has never seen a spin before.
- Severe wind shear or turbulence (but I think that would require a windspeed which is well outside the published limits for a GA plane)
- Wake vortex
- Severe malfunction/loss of primary flight controls or their trim
- Loss of control, for instance in IMC, or the classic stall/spin scenario when turning final with not enough speed for the angle of bank used.
Note that so far it's just eyewitness reports, which in general can be very unreliable. A spin, for instance, may appear from some angles to be an inverted flight, especially if the witness has never seen a spin before.
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And don't tell me, sternone, it wouldn't happen to a Mooney or Beechcraft and Cirri are now, in your opinion, in the same category as PA28s.....
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And don't tell me, sternone, it wouldn't happen to a Mooney or Beechcraft and Cirri are now, in your opinion, in the same category as PA28s.....
A very strange accident indeed. I can't add anything to what BackPacker said other than since it happened at an airport perhaps some of the witnesses were pilots and are more likely to have correctly identified the plane being inverted.
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The most likely theory that I've read on COPA is that the landing had been aborted for the second time, due to wind shear, but for whatever reason (eg. forgetting to retract full flap) the aircraft, which was heavily laden, stalled and went into an inverted spin. The true cause is unlikely to be determined, unless the data recorder (a new feature in G3 models) survived the fire.
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Wake turbulence is not possible since they don't have heavies landing there...
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Maybe baseless conjecture and speculation serves no purpose and doesn't help anyone...
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I know from experience eye witness accounts can be amazingly inaccurate. Up side down is also subjective for members of the uninfomed public!
I have taken passengers through a few stall turns before turning them properly inverted. They are convinced they were up side down in the stall turns - and, before you say anything, my stall turns are not that bad - honest.
The witness might be correct - they might be alarmingly incorrect.
I have taken passengers through a few stall turns before turning them properly inverted. They are convinced they were up side down in the stall turns - and, before you say anything, my stall turns are not that bad - honest.
The witness might be correct - they might be alarmingly incorrect.
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Maybe baseless conjecture and speculation serves no purpose and doesn't help anyone...
Maybe if you see what you don't like you just need to learn to close your eyes or try to click on something else
Maybe baseless conjecture and speculation serves no purpose and doesn't help anyone...
Maybe if you see what you don't like you just need to learn to close your eyes or try to click on something else
I honestly cannot see any lodgic or anything positive or productive being achieved in people spouting out what ever notion comes to mind in respect of a certain accident/incident.
I don't mean to get up on a soapbox here but I have been reading these forums for many years now and every time there is an accident, be it commercial or private, these forums are awash with opinion after opinion about 'what happen' - based on what? Nothing.
Refering back to the accident at hand, we only know the end product of this accident i.e. the aircraft is destroyed and the occupants dead. The simple fact remains that this accident could have been caused by any number of factors. Several weeks or months form now the NTSB will publish its report into why this aircraft crashed. Maybe then when we are fully informed of all the facts we can enter into some fruitful discourse about the causes of this crash and hopefully learn from this dreadful accident.
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Technology, Weather, Piloting
Technology, weather and piloting, a very complicated relationship. Despite the tremendous advances in aviation activities in the last couple of years, some pilots out there still don't get it right.
The relationship between these entities are very complex and we tend to ignore the ramifications when we jump into the cockpit.
When accidents happen, we tend to attribute the cause to weather conditions. Well, we always have a choice, and that is, avoiding the adverse weather conditions totally.
DON'T FLY INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS.
Period. 
This accident remind me of the crash in recent days. After unsuccessful attempt to land, the subsequent attempt ended in disaster.
Despite the casualties (regrettably, and may their souls rest in peace), I would like to mention that the pilot of this plane had a choice and that was diverting to another airport.
Here is an experience that I made on a flight as a passenger from EDDK to EDDM in March of this year. There was severe weather above EDDK and I was wondering if flights will be delayed for the weather to clear off. To my surprise, that was not the case. I listened into the ATC (I always have my ICOM IC-A23 with me) and noticed thunder activities above active runway. 2-3 minutes after takeoff, we got stroked by lightening and the smell in the aircaft was terrible. On arrival, I requested to speak to the pilot and asked him if it was right to fly into that weather. He said we were cleared by ATC to takeoff.
SO, it is very simple. Stay away form adverse weather conditions. No matter what the circumstances are.
Happy landings
WP
The relationship between these entities are very complex and we tend to ignore the ramifications when we jump into the cockpit.When accidents happen, we tend to attribute the cause to weather conditions. Well, we always have a choice, and that is, avoiding the adverse weather conditions totally.
DON'T FLY INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS.
Period. This accident remind me of the crash in recent days. After unsuccessful attempt to land, the subsequent attempt ended in disaster.
Despite the casualties (regrettably, and may their souls rest in peace), I would like to mention that the pilot of this plane had a choice and that was diverting to another airport.
Here is an experience that I made on a flight as a passenger from EDDK to EDDM in March of this year. There was severe weather above EDDK and I was wondering if flights will be delayed for the weather to clear off. To my surprise, that was not the case. I listened into the ATC (I always have my ICOM IC-A23 with me) and noticed thunder activities above active runway. 2-3 minutes after takeoff, we got stroked by lightening and the smell in the aircaft was terrible. On arrival, I requested to speak to the pilot and asked him if it was right to fly into that weather. He said we were cleared by ATC to takeoff.
SO, it is very simple. Stay away form adverse weather conditions. No matter what the circumstances are.
Happy landings
WP
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I watched a 152 on take off, stall and flip on to it's roof at Newtonards last year. And I mean straight on to it's roof..not wing first, not nose first...slap bang on to it's roof (and tail).
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