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Old 27th Nov 2007, 16:03
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Question Tail dragger rating in US

I have a JAA licence (with FAA validation). Can I do a tail dragger course in Florida, and have it accepted as a rating on my JAA licence?

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Tailwheel is differences training not a rating and as long as you get an Instructor to endorse your log book will be acceptable.
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bose on that topic...if I have a retractable endorsement from a US instructor does that mean I'm OK to fly retractables in this country?
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Yes...any FAA ratings and endorsements carry over...So if you have complex and high performance endorsements, then you can fly "complex" and high performance aeroplanes in G land. Same goes for tail dragger endorsement, ME RATING, etc....

NB: The RATINGS only carry across while the FAA ticket is valid...so if you let it lapse then they lapse too as you are using your FAA privileges without formality in a G reg - it is all in the ANO...
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Al is correct for everything except the ME rating. All differences training is just a log book endorsement. I have some funky little stickers that I put in the students log book to sign off the various differences, in FAA land it is just a signature and comment in the logbook but same end result.

The ME training will carry over but you are required to sit a flight test to get it added to a UK/JAA licence as it is a Class Rating not differences training.

Al, you also need to re read the question, the poster has a JAA licence with a based on FAA licence and wants to get some differences training and want's to know if it can be applied to his JAA licence.
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Along somewhat similar lines to this topic I am considering doing an aerobatic course in the US, part of which will be a tailwheel endorsement.

Speaking to the operator they tell me that this will be an FAA tailwheel endorsement.

What issues does this present as I will have a JAA PPL (in the post currently)?

I would be grateful for any advice.
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The ME training will carry over but you are required to sit a flight test to get it added to a UK/JAA licence as it is a Class Rating not differences training.

Al, you also need to re read the question, the poster has a JAA licence with a based on FAA licence and wants to get some differences training and want's to know if it can be applied to his JAA licence.
I was posting the second bit for the benefit of other readers, as there seems to always be confusion between RATINGS and ENDORSEMENTS

As an example, I have no JAA MEP rating on my JAA PPL, but I can still fly MEPs in the UK thanks to my FAA ME(note: no P) rating. So in effect it does carry over, especially if the FAA Cert is based upon a JAA cert....
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Ah I see you decided to go off on a tangent rather than answering the original question which was asking if he could add it to his JAA licence.

Now I see.....
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Why the USA?

Why not support the home industry?

If you look at all the costs it is cheaper to fly in the UK.

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Unless you happen to be in the USA on other business already... I'm there for geek-related business in January and plan on squeezing an MEP in whilst I'm there - will save me a fortune!
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Yes I did that when I was in the USA on business but the first company that I had pre-booked from the UK failed to come up with the goods and then the next company that I booked did the same thing!

Time was getting tight by the time I found company number three, they did a great job but at about 30% above the costs that the adverts in the UK flying raggs stated.

May be I was unlucky but the USA is not always as good as some would have us think.
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Unless you happen to be in the USA on other business already... I'm there for geek-related business in January and plan on squeezing an MEP in whilst I'm there - will save me a fortune!
Just remember that getting a class rating (like the MEP is) requires TSA clearance and an M-1 visa, plus some other minor bureaucratic stuff.

Differences training like a tailwheel endorsement, to the best of my knowledge do not require TSA or M-1, as long as what you do stays within the SEP(A) class.

https://www.flightschoolcandidates.gov/ - Scroll down to where the background becomes grey.
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Along somewhat similar lines to this topic I am considering doing an aerobatic course in the US, part of which will be a tailwheel endorsement.

Speaking to the operator they tell me that this will be an FAA tailwheel endorsement.

What issues does this present as I will have a JAA PPL (in the post currently)?

I would be grateful for any advice.
Any advice?
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All that is required, AFAIK, for a JAA PPL tailwheel endorsement is differences training from a "suitably qualified instructor". I don't think the regulations specify that this has to be a JAA instructor. So if an FAA tailwheel instructor signs your logbook with words to the effect that you've had your differences training and are qualified to a suitable standard, you should be fine. But as always LASORS is your true friend.
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Ah I see you decided to go off on a tangent rather than answering the original question which was asking if he could add it to his JAA licence.
Nope The question was regarding a "tail dragger rating". No such rating exists, it is an ENDORSEMENT. So what I was doing was showint that RATINGS can be used with a JAA licence with some previsos though.... and so can endorsements

Are you still mad at me about the IR thing

Regarding training in the USA.....(because someone else brought it up). Why on earth would one pay £300+ VAT per hour PLUS £50 per hour instruction to get a ME rating in the UK when for $265 per hour all in you can get one in the USA? I am genuinely interested, I like to support things in the UK up to a point................The saving of nearly £3000 would pay for a first class ticket to the USA as well as a nice hilton somewhere.....
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If it's got a tailwheel, it's not a taildragger. It's conventional gear.
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