De ice fluid
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De ice fluid
Does any one know the correct de ice fluid to use on light aircraft.
BS number and any name or code.
Thanks.
BS number and any name or code.
Thanks.
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As said, it's the killfrost you want 
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De-icers and perspex
If it's a Cessna 150 or the like, use Halfords best
Use an aircraft cover for protecting the transparencies, then turn the a/c into sun to warm up the perspex whilst mechanically removing the worst of the frost. Then use cheap car de-icer on the wing & tailplane surfaces. Allow at least 30 mins to do an a/c properly on a frosty morning.
The other problem I find at this time of year is that the interior gets damp and combined with warm, moist exhaled breath causes chronic misting up inside. We use a sponge fitted with a chamios cover (also from H*lfords) but you have to keep wiping and wiping until the heater gets going, usually well into the climbout.
The alternative is to pay for hangarage, presently around £3.5k p.a. round our way. (if you can get it!)
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Whatever you do, get the frost OFF
Having had an interesting low level tour in the ravine past the runway while building flying speed
, I am now a big fan of carrying a couple spare jugs of automotive windshield washer fluid in the car if the a/c I'm about to fly has been parked outside.
I am no longer a fan of simply scraping between the rivet lines.
Yes, do keep it well away from the perspex$$$$$
And make sure the wing and tailplane sparkle.
, I am now a big fan of carrying a couple spare jugs of automotive windshield washer fluid in the car if the a/c I'm about to fly has been parked outside.I am no longer a fan of simply scraping between the rivet lines.
Yes, do keep it well away from the perspex$$$$$
And make sure the wing and tailplane sparkle.
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I use truck de-icer which is exactly the same stuff as the aviation deicer in a different tub (according to the distributor and the spec sheets), safe on plastics and paintwork. I mix it thick and spray the struts and leading edges and prop and it stops ice on cloud climbs.
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I've had the Aeroshell TKS fluid from Silmid.
Hugely expensive stuff - not sure anybody would use it for de-icing the airframe. One 20 litre drum was about £200, and it is very heavy - I bet the stuff as a SG higher than water because I can lift 20kg easily enough.
Flying schools use all kinds of stuff, sprayed on with the B&Q pump-up bottles used to spray Cuprinol etc on wooden fences, but the rental scene isn't that worried about long term corrosion issues.
Hugely expensive stuff - not sure anybody would use it for de-icing the airframe. One 20 litre drum was about £200, and it is very heavy - I bet the stuff as a SG higher than water because I can lift 20kg easily enough.
Flying schools use all kinds of stuff, sprayed on with the B&Q pump-up bottles used to spray Cuprinol etc on wooden fences, but the rental scene isn't that worried about long term corrosion issues.
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Oh come on IO, the rental scene is just as concerned about corrosion as you and I, these are their bread and butter and an airframe out of action for corrosion is not earning money. You really must have had a bad time with a school somewhere to be so down on them ALL the time!!!!
Truck deicer and the aero shell stuff is identical, just one has 'paperwork' and the other does not. 20l drum about £20!
I use a B&Q pump to put it on and it's worked fine for me for years and nothing has rotted off my aircraft!
Truck deicer and the aero shell stuff is identical, just one has 'paperwork' and the other does not. 20l drum about £20!
I use a B&Q pump to put it on and it's worked fine for me for years and nothing has rotted off my aircraft!
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Not to hand, the drum is in the hangar. I will get it when I fly tomorrow and post it. Found the company on eBay a few years ago while trying to source TKS fluid (which I also bought 25x20l drums off for £160.!). I asked them for something suitable for an aircraft and they came up with this stuff. I was a bit wary at first coming from the certified aircraft mentality! But it works fine, the spec she is the same as the aeroshell deicer so I am happy enough.
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Yeah! Cool eh! A clear out of a unit, pallet load sat at the back unopened and they guy put it on eBay with no understanding of the value. I was the only bid! Price included shipping...... 
Mind you I just sold a computer on eBay for more than I paid for it new! It's a funny world!
Mind you I just sold a computer on eBay for more than I paid for it new! It's a funny world!
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Yeah! Cool eh! A clear out of a unit, pallet load sat at the back unopened and they guy put it on eBay with no understanding of the value. I was the only bid! Price included shipping
It's always interesting to find out the real story behind something, isn't it?
I was going to say it must have fallen out of the open cargo door of a 747.
£160 would probably only just cover intra-UK haulage on 500kg. I have just paid £120 on haulage from Felixstowe to Worthing, 300kg.
It's always interesting to find out the real story behind something, isn't it?
I was going to say it must have fallen out of the open cargo door of a 747.
£160 would probably only just cover intra-UK haulage on 500kg. I have just paid £120 on haulage from Felixstowe to Worthing, 300kg.
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Steady IO, thats a bit close to the knuckle insinuating it was knocked off!!!
I put all my old tat on eBay and it seems to sell well.
Anyway you are just jealous you paid more than that for a single drum!!! I might sell it off by the drum! Although I have used a bit on the DA42 recently.
I put all my old tat on eBay and it seems to sell well.
Anyway you are just jealous you paid more than that for a single drum!!! I might sell it off by the drum! Although I have used a bit on the DA42 recently.
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Would never suggest any such thing, bose -x
But the end result is just the same as far as the price you paid - somebody sold the stuff without knowing what it was worth.
Deicing fluid suitable for aircraft (the issue is more aluminium corrosion in inaccessible cavities, than paint coming off, BTW) is always expensive, and I am sure that if the pricing was bogus the airlines would do something about it. It costs a huge amount of $$$ to spray an airliner which got covered in ice while parked.
Schools I trained at used car antifreeze. Should be safe on paint but not so sure about aluminium.
I flog all my old stuff on Ebay too.
But the end result is just the same as far as the price you paid - somebody sold the stuff without knowing what it was worth.
Deicing fluid suitable for aircraft (the issue is more aluminium corrosion in inaccessible cavities, than paint coming off, BTW) is always expensive, and I am sure that if the pricing was bogus the airlines would do something about it. It costs a huge amount of $$$ to spray an airliner which got covered in ice while parked.
Schools I trained at used car antifreeze. Should be safe on paint but not so sure about aluminium.
I flog all my old stuff on Ebay too.
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+++MASTER CAUTION+++ 
Some types of de-icing fluid qualify as Dangerous Goods and as such must not be carried on board aircraft unless the various appropriate approvals and processes are in place. That, generally speaking, precludes carriage in private aircraft.
(I wouldn't ever put anything not meant for aircraft, on my aircraft).
Some types of de-icing fluid qualify as Dangerous Goods and as such must not be carried on board aircraft unless the various appropriate approvals and processes are in place. That, generally speaking, precludes carriage in private aircraft.
(I wouldn't ever put anything not meant for aircraft, on my aircraft).
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Although I have used a bit on the DA42 recently.
Pssss - I wouldnt tell Diamond if I were you - it might be a very good reason for them to invalidate the warranty.