LOOP trash mag....and Bob Davy in particular
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I said this right at the start but have to say it again, what on earth are you lot getting so uptight about?
I have just sat and re read the article this morning and I really can't find anything to so inflame the sensibilities. It is well written and interesting and carries an opinion nothing more. I have never flown the shorts and the thing is to damn ugly for me to want to.
It rather strikes me from reading the replies on here that an element of jealousy exists and a need for certain people to tell us all how much experience they have......
Mind you Bob, I would rather not have been referred to as a faceless moron........
These forums are filled with an emotive bunch with little else to do with their time than talk bollox about their exploits, but we don't need insulting as we are also the audience you are writing for.....
Cheers, BoseX (who feels the need need to point out he has only flown around 60 types in his few thousand hours)....
I have just sat and re read the article this morning and I really can't find anything to so inflame the sensibilities. It is well written and interesting and carries an opinion nothing more. I have never flown the shorts and the thing is to damn ugly for me to want to.
It rather strikes me from reading the replies on here that an element of jealousy exists and a need for certain people to tell us all how much experience they have......
Mind you Bob, I would rather not have been referred to as a faceless moron........
These forums are filled with an emotive bunch with little else to do with their time than talk bollox about their exploits, but we don't need insulting as we are also the audience you are writing for.....
Cheers, BoseX (who feels the need need to point out he has only flown around 60 types in his few thousand hours)....
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Bose,that is vey upsetting.
I have flown 3 types P1 in 110 hrs.
I fly around 30 hrs a year,so at that rate,to get to 60 types will take me another 73 years.
73+64,means Iwill be 137 years old!
Will I make it?
Lister
I have flown 3 types P1 in 110 hrs.
I fly around 30 hrs a year,so at that rate,to get to 60 types will take me another 73 years.
73+64,means Iwill be 137 years old!
Will I make it?
Lister
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I am a stude with 40 hours. I have landed at three aerodromes - but they were nice landings. I couldn't tell you whether a Hawk deserves to be in the top three or not - but they sure are pretty to look at.
I thought Bob's article was just average, like so many of the aviation mags. Like many people on here I devour anything aviation related but Loop and their ilk are just so boring. How can you take an aircraft like that Pitts with the radial engine and make it boring? But they do.
Generally they make the mistake of imparting information over entertaining. Obviously, I don't need an artistic flourish with every runway light related NOTAM but when reviewing an aircraft there is so much more to say beyond the POH, or 'we routed through X via A'.
That's why Clarkson is good; even when confronted with a Vectra, he finds something interesting to say. Sometimes he goes for the crazy generalisations because he knows that boring text is dead text.
I view modern TV sports coverage as suffering from the same problem. These days it seems that you have to be a success to qualify as a pundit, with the result that very few are any good. Hence the analysis in the printed media (e.g., Guardian, Times) remains far ahead of any analysis done on TV, as they employ only those that are good enough to communicate intelligent analysis.
So to bring us back to aviation, I would argue that having thousands of hours on tens of types is interesting but not required - I don't want to employ you, I just want you to communicate with me.
I thought Bob's article was just average, like so many of the aviation mags. Like many people on here I devour anything aviation related but Loop and their ilk are just so boring. How can you take an aircraft like that Pitts with the radial engine and make it boring? But they do.
Generally they make the mistake of imparting information over entertaining. Obviously, I don't need an artistic flourish with every runway light related NOTAM but when reviewing an aircraft there is so much more to say beyond the POH, or 'we routed through X via A'.
That's why Clarkson is good; even when confronted with a Vectra, he finds something interesting to say. Sometimes he goes for the crazy generalisations because he knows that boring text is dead text.
I view modern TV sports coverage as suffering from the same problem. These days it seems that you have to be a success to qualify as a pundit, with the result that very few are any good. Hence the analysis in the printed media (e.g., Guardian, Times) remains far ahead of any analysis done on TV, as they employ only those that are good enough to communicate intelligent analysis.
So to bring us back to aviation, I would argue that having thousands of hours on tens of types is interesting but not required - I don't want to employ you, I just want you to communicate with me.
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Just who is the f**ckwitt?
I have read the 'offending article' and have to say I agree with Wide Body, Whirlybird, Bose-X and others: it is a perfectly reasonable piece of journalism and I cannot see how it could possibly generate this hysterical ranting from SFCC :
In fact SFCC, you have demonstrated that you are an arse and Loop is far too good to waste on you 
LOOP trash mag....and Bob Davy in particular
Just who is this jumped up, opinionated f**ckwitt?
Anybody who starts a paragraph with " I've flown more than 'xyz' different types...." deserves all they get.
Thankfully it isn't too shiny to wipe my arse with.
Just who is this jumped up, opinionated f**ckwitt?
Anybody who starts a paragraph with " I've flown more than 'xyz' different types...." deserves all they get.
Thankfully it isn't too shiny to wipe my arse with.
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Any publicity is good publicity!
Well done Bob. Keep up the good work as we need controvercial articles. However, will we ever read the one about Bob's Worst Day - the day Bentley ran away?
By the way, I've always found that fat birds appreciate it more and you get much more in return!
By the way, I've always found that fat birds appreciate it more and you get much more in return!
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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Originally Posted by False Capture
However, will we ever read the one about Bob's Worst Day - the day Bentley ran away?
Doubtless, regardless of his choices, poor old Bentley is still going to get grief on the PDrune forum, inevitably from some yappy little Chiauaua posting under a pseudonym of "Baskerville" or "DobermannsForBreakfast". Still, Flash posts on that forum as "Bandit", so we may have some fun yet.
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Well I had a ad ready to put in Loop this weekend. After Bob's comments, I've decided to save my money.
Well done, you've cost your paymaster at least a little bit of revenue.
Well done, you've cost your paymaster at least a little bit of revenue.
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" Well I had a ad ready to put in Loop this weekend. After Bob's comments, I've decided to save my money.
Well done, you've cost your paymaster at least a little bit of revenue."
You could always place the ad in LOOT - assuming it's a Shorts..
Well done, you've cost your paymaster at least a little bit of revenue."
You could always place the ad in LOOT - assuming it's a Shorts..
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I just wonder who is doing PR for Bob. His quote has echo's of another famous pr gaff
How many on here remember Gerald Ratner
It puzzles me why so many of the GA 'aviation journalist' brigade are not active on the main forums.(Ian Seager and Irv Lee excepted).
Alan Bramson was the same years ago in Pilot. He wrote great technical stuff but it was dry and stuffy.I've still got his book (Make Better Landings) but he never wrote a " how I had a great weekend in the Channel Islands article".
In defence of Bob Davey the business model must work. The Sunday Times have linked up with Loop to offer trial flight packages for the xmas market.
Oh really? What aircraft was that then? Why didn't you complain to me at the time?
And I've got 500 hrs on SD360 and I still think its crap.
I don't normally reply to forums because they're full of faceless morons but youre a bit special.
And I've got 500 hrs on SD360 and I still think its crap.
I don't normally reply to forums because they're full of faceless morons but youre a bit special.
It puzzles me why so many of the GA 'aviation journalist' brigade are not active on the main forums.(Ian Seager and Irv Lee excepted).
Alan Bramson was the same years ago in Pilot. He wrote great technical stuff but it was dry and stuffy.I've still got his book (Make Better Landings) but he never wrote a " how I had a great weekend in the Channel Islands article".
In defence of Bob Davey the business model must work. The Sunday Times have linked up with Loop to offer trial flight packages for the xmas market.
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There is a rumour doing the rounds that Mr. Davey's posting on Pprune appeared in error, as he was trying to send a pm to one of the previous posters, but got confused and pressed the wrong button. It isn't often that one gets to find out what a journalist genuinely thinks of his readership.
I believe Private Eye used to finish some of it's articles "New technology baffles pissed old hack....". Nice to see that proved empirically.
I believe Private Eye used to finish some of it's articles "New technology baffles pissed old hack....". Nice to see that proved empirically.
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finger trouble
Its true, I thought it was a personal reply. What a plonker.
.. and I wasn't refering to everyone as 'faceless morons'. Pprune is good value and good for the industry. For the incisive minds I apologise, really I do.
.. and next time I take Bentley for a walk I'll take a lead (the search involved a dozen people, four cars, two Piper Cubs and a motorbike).
Next month its a fluffy little feature about health and safety. Im bracing myself for the broadside
.. and I wasn't refering to everyone as 'faceless morons'. Pprune is good value and good for the industry. For the incisive minds I apologise, really I do.
.. and next time I take Bentley for a walk I'll take a lead (the search involved a dozen people, four cars, two Piper Cubs and a motorbike).
Next month its a fluffy little feature about health and safety. Im bracing myself for the broadside
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Well Emma,
at least he has the Balls to say he got it wrong. And without the luxury of being faceless.
Love to all
Wide
Back to the beach (or actually continue with the swim up bar hic)
at least he has the Balls to say he got it wrong. And without the luxury of being faceless.
Love to all
Wide
Back to the beach (or actually continue with the swim up bar hic)
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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Originally Posted by BobDavy
I know I'm never taking Bandit for a walk. Anyway he bit me, remember.
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Is there something special about having served on a fast jet squadron?
SFCC sounds like a cock, good job he doesn't write articles for Pilot, Loop, Flyer, etc.
SFCC sounds like a cock, good job he doesn't write articles for Pilot, Loop, Flyer, etc.
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