LOOP trash mag....and Bob Davy in particular
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You tell em SFCC! Now we are all dying to know how you would rearrange the pecking order or even come up with your own list of swans/turkeys.
Loop only pay Chicken feed but its enough for Bob to feather his prop...er nest... while the feathers fly. He never mentioned giving anyone the bird but you seem to have beakome a tad aereated, so might I suggest a session with the Thunderscreech(now extinct) until humour formates with brain.
Who did buy the K bird anyway? Or was it.......the OTHER owner........?
Loop only pay Chicken feed but its enough for Bob to feather his prop...er nest... while the feathers fly. He never mentioned giving anyone the bird but you seem to have beakome a tad aereated, so might I suggest a session with the Thunderscreech(now extinct) until humour formates with brain.
Who did buy the K bird anyway? Or was it.......the OTHER owner........?
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...and another thing...
What bothers me the most about these publications is the unbelievable bias that is shown to aviation manufacturers who take out the largest advert. i:e coverage of their product in column inches is directly proportional to what they have spent on advertising.
Has anyone else noticed this correlation?
The accuracy of articles in Loop is also a bit lacking - (e:g the "race from Cambridge to Cannes" article when they took a cirrus and diamond down to Cannes apparently not requiring an arrival slot (during the Film festival) and using the "ILS" to land at Cannes!
Well the failure to book an arrival slot during the film festival when the special AIP is in place could result in a 7000 euro fine from DGAC and there is no ILS at Cannes Mandelieu - c'mon boys, get your facts right! I would say generally that their copy is written imprecisely but with enthusiasm.
Not knocking it though 'cos it is free!
SB
Has anyone else noticed this correlation?
The accuracy of articles in Loop is also a bit lacking - (e:g the "race from Cambridge to Cannes" article when they took a cirrus and diamond down to Cannes apparently not requiring an arrival slot (during the Film festival) and using the "ILS" to land at Cannes!
Well the failure to book an arrival slot during the film festival when the special AIP is in place could result in a 7000 euro fine from DGAC and there is no ILS at Cannes Mandelieu - c'mon boys, get your facts right! I would say generally that their copy is written imprecisely but with enthusiasm.
Not knocking it though 'cos it is free!
SB
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> 'What bothers me the most about these publications is the unbelievable bias that is shown to aviation manufacturers who take out the largest advert.' <
Let's face it, scooter boy, there's the rub. They are free to us, supported by aviation-related manufacturers and who therefore warrant a little preference .
I gloss over most of that stuff and read what I then find interesting. I do find other peoples' contributions interesting, particularly their differing opinions. I like listening to other people and then I too can form my own opinion.
BD has opinions and he's entitled to them. That doesn't stop me reading them. I don't have to agree.
He actually asked me what my 'faves' were when he was producing that article (and I've flown a few too) and I'm sure that he had a word with a number of others before he decided on the final format.
I know he can be a bit opinionated but nevertheless he constructs a good article. That's what journalism is. Being controversial is what it's about.
I raise three final points :-
SFCC. The Soko K. is a dog.
sc. There is sometimes a need to fly an ILS into Cannes. - Nice ILS to a break off.
Oh, and serves you right with the oysters, eharding. You know the seas surrounding Mull are contaminated with dripping Yak engine oil ! You should have stuck to your usual beefburgers !
Rgds, Sleeve.
> 'What bothers me the most about these publications is the unbelievable bias that is shown to aviation manufacturers who take out the largest advert.' <
Let's face it, scooter boy, there's the rub. They are free to us, supported by aviation-related manufacturers and who therefore warrant a little preference .
I gloss over most of that stuff and read what I then find interesting. I do find other peoples' contributions interesting, particularly their differing opinions. I like listening to other people and then I too can form my own opinion.
BD has opinions and he's entitled to them. That doesn't stop me reading them. I don't have to agree.
He actually asked me what my 'faves' were when he was producing that article (and I've flown a few too) and I'm sure that he had a word with a number of others before he decided on the final format.
I know he can be a bit opinionated but nevertheless he constructs a good article. That's what journalism is. Being controversial is what it's about.
I raise three final points :-
SFCC. The Soko K. is a dog.
sc. There is sometimes a need to fly an ILS into Cannes. - Nice ILS to a break off.
Oh, and serves you right with the oysters, eharding. You know the seas surrounding Mull are contaminated with dripping Yak engine oil ! You should have stuck to your usual beefburgers !
Rgds, Sleeve.
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There is an ILS at Cannes! I have shot it. Often it is to a circling approach as there is only one, and it is to the northerly runway due to terrain. I landed on the southerly runway (can't remember the designation).
There is an ILS at Cannes! I have shot it. Often it is to a circling approach as there is only one, and it is to the northerly runway due to terrain. I landed on the southerly runway (can't remember the designation).
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Things that are free:
the air above us to enjoy,
the mountains and the coutry side,
plastic bags in Sainsbury, (but perhaps not for a lot longer)
advice on PPRuNe,
as you will see, free things are either very very good, or very very bad.
You just have to make up your mind which is which.
the air above us to enjoy,
the mountains and the coutry side,
plastic bags in Sainsbury, (but perhaps not for a lot longer)
advice on PPRuNe,
as you will see, free things are either very very good, or very very bad.
You just have to make up your mind which is which.
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Sorry but you are incorrect!
"There is an ILS at Cannes!"
Oh no there isn't an ILS at Cannes!
There is a LOC/DME to 35 which will often lead to a break off for 17 but NO ILS.
SB
Oh no there isn't an ILS at Cannes!
There is a LOC/DME to 35 which will often lead to a break off for 17 but NO ILS.
SB
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Only been there once, and have been to quite a few European fields so could be mistaken, but http://worldaerodata.com/ agrees with me.
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Cannes does not have an ILS it has a LOC/DME approach. I have been in a couple of times of the last couple of months.
It is a circling approach with an MDA of 1180ft.
On the original subject I really can't see what is so bad about the article or his writing style.
It is a circling approach with an MDA of 1180ft.
On the original subject I really can't see what is so bad about the article or his writing style.
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I did not know him whilst being in the RAF 30 odd years ago.
I've met him since but don't know him well enough to count him amongst my friends or not-friends. I've seen him display appalling airmanship (N Weald about 3 yrs ago - when he barged into a very busy circuit with a cowboy call-sign).
Notwihstanding the above, I read the article this evening and found it quite a jolly wheeze!
JN
I've met him since but don't know him well enough to count him amongst my friends or not-friends. I've seen him display appalling airmanship (N Weald about 3 yrs ago - when he barged into a very busy circuit with a cowboy call-sign).
Notwihstanding the above, I read the article this evening and found it quite a jolly wheeze!
JN
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I'm with IO!
Spend £3.50, get the usual crap which you've read before. Read a 'flight test' of some mongrel aircraft which surprise surprise is really really great and amazingly is also for sale!!!!!
Wade through the adverts - all threatening that you will no longer be able to fly unless you buy an ZXC?VVD....efjdjflkj...
Or let this thing drop through the post box, read and discard - save at least £3.60!!
A nd you're complaining??? Why???
Aviation journalism in the UK is complete cr*p and totally dominated by a select group of free loaders. If you want knowledge buy the Aviation Consumer, if you want a magazine read LOOP and forget paying for anything!
Spend £3.50, get the usual crap which you've read before. Read a 'flight test' of some mongrel aircraft which surprise surprise is really really great and amazingly is also for sale!!!!!
Wade through the adverts - all threatening that you will no longer be able to fly unless you buy an ZXC?VVD....efjdjflkj...
Or let this thing drop through the post box, read and discard - save at least £3.60!!
A nd you're complaining??? Why???
Aviation journalism in the UK is complete cr*p and totally dominated by a select group of free loaders. If you want knowledge buy the Aviation Consumer, if you want a magazine read LOOP and forget paying for anything!
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gasax....absolutely the best summation I have ever seen.
Whatever happened to the people whom I looked forward to reading accounts from?......B.Lecomber, B.Smith, D.Bianchi, B.Grimstead etc etc etc (many more that i will have ommited)
I no longer subscribe to any UK publications for the reasons listed above.
Great shame for all concerned
Oh ...and Sleeve Wing....I know the Soko is a piece of shoite...have flown one, but never will, and never have owned one.
Whatever happened to the people whom I looked forward to reading accounts from?......B.Lecomber, B.Smith, D.Bianchi, B.Grimstead etc etc etc (many more that i will have ommited)
I no longer subscribe to any UK publications for the reasons listed above.
Great shame for all concerned
Oh ...and Sleeve Wing....I know the Soko is a piece of shoite...have flown one, but never will, and never have owned one.
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gasax wrote:
No, a self-selecting group of free-loaders, in fact. And that's being extremely polite.
That said, the readership isn't too discerning.
Years ago, I went out with a girl whose family owned a huge pig business - one of the UK's biggest. I was struck then by the amount of sh*t that they had to cope with. Since then, despite the demise of a promising relationship with a lovely girl, I've often had cause to comment that this problem is not exclusively theirs.
select group of free loaders
No, a self-selecting group of free-loaders, in fact. And that's being extremely polite.
That said, the readership isn't too discerning.
Years ago, I went out with a girl whose family owned a huge pig business - one of the UK's biggest. I was struck then by the amount of sh*t that they had to cope with. Since then, despite the demise of a promising relationship with a lovely girl, I've often had cause to comment that this problem is not exclusively theirs.
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Two more things...
First, you can do the ILS into Cannes...
The Nice ILS, that is, followed by a visual segment...
...and the remarks about BD above chime with me. His talent as a writer matches his ability as a pilot, so far as I can see, and as a writer and pilot, neither leaves me worried!
First, you can do the ILS into Cannes...
The Nice ILS, that is, followed by a visual segment...
...and the remarks about BD above chime with me. His talent as a writer matches his ability as a pilot, so far as I can see, and as a writer and pilot, neither leaves me worried!
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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Originally Posted by JinjaNinja
I've met him since but don't know him well enough to count him amongst my friends or not-friends. I've seen him display appalling airmanship (N Weald about 3 yrs ago - when he barged into a very busy circuit with a cowboy call-sign).
(I made that up, by the way).