Landing in a field
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Glider pilots advice
Gents
Just a snippet I remembered from the BGA website.
Glider pilots have been requested to inform D&D if they land out and intend to leave the glider out in a strange place. The number is 01895426150 and the reason given is that a helicopter was scrambled to a 'reported crash' in poor weather. Saves time and money and the request was originated by D&D themselves. Posted below.
John
I've tried that thermal generation thing - don't follow through!
'Distress & Diversion Cell Request 22nd July 2005
The D&D Cell has requested that we ask all pilots to let them know if they have landed out and had to leave the glider in the field overnight or if, for any reason, they believe that the landout has caused or is likely to cause alarm. In these events, you should call the D&D Cell on 01895 426 150, letting them know the location and confirming that there are no casualties. The request follows an incident where a glider was left on a hillside in Wales recently to allow the owner to organize a particularly tricky retrieve. As a result, a helicopter was scrambled in poor weather to check for survivors at a reported glider 'crash site' '
Just a snippet I remembered from the BGA website.
Glider pilots have been requested to inform D&D if they land out and intend to leave the glider out in a strange place. The number is 01895426150 and the reason given is that a helicopter was scrambled to a 'reported crash' in poor weather. Saves time and money and the request was originated by D&D themselves. Posted below.
John
I've tried that thermal generation thing - don't follow through!
'Distress & Diversion Cell Request 22nd July 2005
The D&D Cell has requested that we ask all pilots to let them know if they have landed out and had to leave the glider in the field overnight or if, for any reason, they believe that the landout has caused or is likely to cause alarm. In these events, you should call the D&D Cell on 01895 426 150, letting them know the location and confirming that there are no casualties. The request follows an incident where a glider was left on a hillside in Wales recently to allow the owner to organize a particularly tricky retrieve. As a result, a helicopter was scrambled in poor weather to check for survivors at a reported glider 'crash site' '
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From: New South Wales
The police helicopter thing happened to me recently for the first time in five years of regular field landings:
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=37557
The D+D number is now in my mobile phone memory. Thanks for that.
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=37557
The D+D number is now in my mobile phone memory. Thanks for that.
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From: England
seems very anti Police in this thread, the problem is this, when a member of the well meaning public phone on the 9's, the Police have to respond, no if's no buts, you have to go, even when cancelled , you still go
what i'd say is, just think how greatful you'd be, should you have had a forced landing, and injured yourself. To have some help, even if they dont know air law.
what i'd say is, just think how greatful you'd be, should you have had a forced landing, and injured yourself. To have some help, even if they dont know air law.
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From: England
A pilot friend of mine took off from a farm strip and declared a pan due to a severe airframe vibration. On returning to the field the pan was cancelled.
Next thing that happens is a Seaking arrives overhead. Someone decided to turn the pan into a training exercise. No problem with that.
Then a policeman arrives at her house to inform her 16 year old daughters that her mothers aircraft is "missing". Apparently nobody told the police that it was a training exercise.
Next thing that happens is a Seaking arrives overhead. Someone decided to turn the pan into a training exercise. No problem with that.
Then a policeman arrives at her house to inform her 16 year old daughters that her mothers aircraft is "missing". Apparently nobody told the police that it was a training exercise.
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From: USA
SN3Guppy, if landing or taking off then within reason the proximity does not apply etc etc. Get some freedom into your minds and enjoy the open skies. I often go for a "tour" and neither ask for anything nor speak to anyone.
People here are posting from numerous locations, countries, political climates, and are affected by a miriad of regulation. Most certainly there are places where one can get away with nearly anything, and I've flown in some of those spots. However, there are also places that are just the opposite.
My home range is in the US, and there the FAA will tag you with careless and reckless operation (14 CFR 91.13) along with any other regulation when citing a violation, and that can apply to taking off or landing, especially if it's not an area designated as an airfield. Regardless of location, one may certainly run afoul of local jursidiction, adjacent land or homeowners, etc. The simple act of putting an airplane where someone doesn't expect it might distract a driver nearby into a crash. It does happen. You can plan on being prosecuted if that happens, even if it wasn't intentional.
Certainly you can land off field. As I said, I've done it for years. However, don't make the blind assumption that merely because you've approved it with the land owner, you're golden...because you're not. Common sense and a little research go a long way.
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From: UK
sns3g your right I should have said my comments apply to the UK. We are not yet so litigious as the USA (not quite anyway) and if someone decided to sue because they crashed a car (as you cited) through watching an aircraft land anywhere then they would not likely succeed. They crashed because they were not paying attention! Seems simple to me. Any way the point I was making still stand, enjoy the freedoms whilst we still have them and dont always ask to be "controlled"
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France could be difficult.
A few years ago a friend got caught out with deteriorating weather near Cherbourg and with night approaching decided to make a precautionary landing in a suitable, if small, field.
Within minutes the local police arrived and whilst very helpful would not merely let him take off the following morning. The airfield manager from Cherbourg was called out together with the local mayor and had to declare the field a temporary airfield for it to be used to take off. Even then they insisted that a local QFI did the flight of a few miles to Cherbourg airport.
Whist only a few sentences to describe, the whole process took three days. If that is typical of an off airfield landing in France then better not to do it!
A few years ago a friend got caught out with deteriorating weather near Cherbourg and with night approaching decided to make a precautionary landing in a suitable, if small, field.
Within minutes the local police arrived and whilst very helpful would not merely let him take off the following morning. The airfield manager from Cherbourg was called out together with the local mayor and had to declare the field a temporary airfield for it to be used to take off. Even then they insisted that a local QFI did the flight of a few miles to Cherbourg airport.
Whist only a few sentences to describe, the whole process took three days. If that is typical of an off airfield landing in France then better not to do it!
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sns3g your right I should have said my comments apply to the UK. We are not yet so litigious as the USA (not quite anyway) and if someone decided to sue because they crashed a car (as you cited) through watching an aircraft land anywhere then they would not likely succeed. They crashed because they were not paying attention! Seems simple to me. Any way the point I was making still stand, enjoy the freedoms whilst we still have them and dont always ask to be "controlled"
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From: England
I remember working on an aircraft at North Cotes, a Harvard landed said hello and flew off.
Some time later one of customs and excises monkeys turned up demanding to know who's aircraft had landed and taken off again. Apparently they had failed to talk to the bombing range at Donna Nook, who had reported them.
I said I had'nt a clue about the visitor (liar liar pants on fire) but I didn't care for the mans attitude.
He then said that aircraft couldn't just land and take off again without permission.
I had a delightful 5 minutes telling him that they could and did. That the UK was not a police state yet and he could bugger off.
For private sites the rule is 28 days max in a year if there is no planning permission. To break that, someone has to be counting, so don't piss off your neighbours.
Some time later one of customs and excises monkeys turned up demanding to know who's aircraft had landed and taken off again. Apparently they had failed to talk to the bombing range at Donna Nook, who had reported them.
I said I had'nt a clue about the visitor (liar liar pants on fire) but I didn't care for the mans attitude.
He then said that aircraft couldn't just land and take off again without permission.
I had a delightful 5 minutes telling him that they could and did. That the UK was not a police state yet and he could bugger off.
For private sites the rule is 28 days max in a year if there is no planning permission. To break that, someone has to be counting, so don't piss off your neighbours.
