Carlisle Lake District Airport - redevelopment
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Carlisle Lake District Airport - redevelopment
Stobart Air Ltd are the owners of the airfield formerly known as Carlisle Airport.
They have lodged a planning application with Carlisle City Council and produced a brochure, both with details of development at the airfield, now renamed Carlisle Lake District Airport.
Airport Brochure
Various drawings have been submitted to Carlisle City Council. The main one of interest is the overall airfield site plan (1.69mb PDF). The remainder are available here.
They have lodged a planning application with Carlisle City Council and produced a brochure, both with details of development at the airfield, now renamed Carlisle Lake District Airport.
Airport Brochure
Various drawings have been submitted to Carlisle City Council. The main one of interest is the overall airfield site plan (1.69mb PDF). The remainder are available here.
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I wonder how the droves of rich American tourists jetting into the new airport will react to the tactical formations of Tornados zipping underneath them inbound to Spadeadam.
Sounds like another case of investors with too much money to burn.
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Sounds like another case of investors with too much money to burn.
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I think it is superb, finally someone with a business head who realises the benefit of an airport and that despite the tenner landing fees and bacon butties it needs real business to make it work. The plan is a very joined up cohesive one.
I wish them every success and it will be great to have an Instrument equipped airport that we can access.
I wish them every success and it will be great to have an Instrument equipped airport that we can access.
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I feel it will be interesting to see how the moderate GA presence at Carlisle will react to these development plans and compare or contrast this with the experiences at Oban (As discussed on the "Oban open or not" thread on this forum).
I see from Stobart Air's own brochure they already acknowledge there has been some accusations that they have applied pressure to the Council. Similarly they openly offer a let-us-do-all-we-ask or we'll walk away proposition (see the back of the brochure).
I see from Stobart Air's own brochure they already acknowledge there has been some accusations that they have applied pressure to the Council. Similarly they openly offer a let-us-do-all-we-ask or we'll walk away proposition (see the back of the brochure).
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Great news - lets hope it comes to pass!
Good on Eddie, I say.
The man is obviously a fan of GA and wants somewhere to keep his jet.
Should be great for us and for the area.
More investment is a great idea in my opinion, the more the better.
The state of most of the tattered, crappy WWII vintage airports that we have in this country is a national embarrasment. No government investment means that private individuals or companies have to step into the breach to move things forward. This will be a brave and I am sure extremely costly move by Mr Stobart, the airport may well still run at a loss even after he has spent millions on it but the local economic repercussions should be excellent.
Only problem is going to be taxiing around all the parked green artics!
SB
The man is obviously a fan of GA and wants somewhere to keep his jet.
Should be great for us and for the area.
More investment is a great idea in my opinion, the more the better.
The state of most of the tattered, crappy WWII vintage airports that we have in this country is a national embarrasment. No government investment means that private individuals or companies have to step into the breach to move things forward. This will be a brave and I am sure extremely costly move by Mr Stobart, the airport may well still run at a loss even after he has spent millions on it but the local economic repercussions should be excellent.
Only problem is going to be taxiing around all the parked green artics!
SB
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FYI scooter boy, Eddie (Jnr or Snr) is no longer involved with Eddie Stobarts: http://www.eddiestobart.co.uk/About_..._Directors.php
But this plan has still got to be great news for Carlisle Airport and the surrounding area.
But this plan has still got to be great news for Carlisle Airport and the surrounding area.
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I've not got my half mil chart around to check, but is another chunk of open airspace going to bite the dust?
"Robin Hood Innternational" etc springs to mind on the other side of the country.
"Robin Hood Innternational" etc springs to mind on the other side of the country.
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First the planning application to Carlisle Council has to be approved, next a potential buildup of commercial traffic and Hey Presto! an application to the CAA for airspace restrictions.
Doncaster?
Oh and Mode S for all! (Paid for by us)
Doncaster?
Oh and Mode S for all! (Paid for by us)
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What is the reason for the movement and realignment of the main runway and shown in the plans?
Surely the existing east/west surface would have provided good foundations for the new surface?
Surely the existing east/west surface would have provided good foundations for the new surface?
Probably easier to start again from scratch rather than have to dig the old runway up and deal with any issues that that might present. I'm thinking about dodgy foundations and the like.
Isn't the reason mentioned in the brochure somewhere?
Isn't the reason mentioned in the brochure somewhere?
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This is a great thing. Carlisle needs redevelopment and a tie in with a company like Stobart's is pretty much the only way it will work.
People have mentioned a link to Oban, but I don't think the two projects have anything in common other than the fact aviation is involved.
Stobarts are setting up an airline as well, so for them to have an exclusive base that they can share with the other very profitable parts of their business can only be a good idea.
People have mentioned a link to Oban, but I don't think the two projects have anything in common other than the fact aviation is involved.
Stobarts are setting up an airline as well, so for them to have an exclusive base that they can share with the other very profitable parts of their business can only be a good idea.
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Gentlemen
apologies about RAF Leeming references. When RAF Finningley was being turned into "Robin Hood International" a few years back, Leeming's future with the RAF was also in doubt and there was talk of another airport development at Leeming which would have effectively chopped off the Vale of York to class G.
It now seems like Leeming is staying RAF so no worries. I should have checked first.
Apologies again, references to Leeming deleted
However re the "conspiracy theory", regional airport development, whether or not a good thing economically, does to date appear to inevitably reduce the class G "playground" available for private flying.
apologies about RAF Leeming references. When RAF Finningley was being turned into "Robin Hood International" a few years back, Leeming's future with the RAF was also in doubt and there was talk of another airport development at Leeming which would have effectively chopped off the Vale of York to class G.
It now seems like Leeming is staying RAF so no worries. I should have checked first.
Apologies again, references to Leeming deleted
However re the "conspiracy theory", regional airport development, whether or not a good thing economically, does to date appear to inevitably reduce the class G "playground" available for private flying.
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A few clarifications
My understanding is that the master plan for Carlsle revolves around a small package air/road interchange based on the airport.
The company that gave Eddie a few quid is into quite a few things and appear to well trousered in the investment dept.
Think 146's (Green and Red with names) hubbing in and out of CLDA.
The AIP shows the PCN value for the runway as just about the lowest I've seen. The new strip sorts out some other issues and creates a taxiway out of the the old runway.
I think the backers are to be congratulated on their foresight. I'm sure GA will not be disadvanted thinking of the operating model of this type of op. eg when most good spamcan ppruners are in the land of nod!
I commend this to the house.
Sir George Cayley
The company that gave Eddie a few quid is into quite a few things and appear to well trousered in the investment dept.
Think 146's (Green and Red with names) hubbing in and out of CLDA.
The AIP shows the PCN value for the runway as just about the lowest I've seen. The new strip sorts out some other issues and creates a taxiway out of the the old runway.
I think the backers are to be congratulated on their foresight. I'm sure GA will not be disadvanted thinking of the operating model of this type of op. eg when most good spamcan ppruners are in the land of nod!
I commend this to the house.
Sir George Cayley
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On the other hand, take a hard nosed business look at the proposals within the document.
1. £25m will not pay for the redevelopment of the airport as described, a new runway, lighting, taxiways, ATC refurbishment and upgrade of facilities therein and a ILS. Think of £40m to £50m and then you are being more realistic.
2. The majority of air freight being flown to and from the North West is in fact flown from Newcastle, Glasgow and Prestwick, there is no commercially viable demand to fly such from Carlisle and there never will be.
3. The catchement area surrounding the airport is insufficiant to support passenger air services to any destination, once again Newcastle and Glasgow already provide such needs and will always be able to undercut anyone operating from Carlisle.
So take another good look at the brochure and tie it up with what Stobart's media people said when they first bought the place - very much the same.
Note the fact that Stobart wants to move their head office operation and a significant part of their main depot to the airport site.
They want the local council to improve the road link to the airport and once they do, Stobart have a self made head office and a major distribution centre for a knock down price.
In the brochure, Stobart openly admit that they will never make a profit from the airport operations and I would wager that they have no intention of developing the airport but intend to turn it into a major industrial park and retail centre.
As they own the site already and such a proposal would do far more for the local economy than a new airport ever would, I don't think they'll have any problem getting permission to go ahead with it.
1. £25m will not pay for the redevelopment of the airport as described, a new runway, lighting, taxiways, ATC refurbishment and upgrade of facilities therein and a ILS. Think of £40m to £50m and then you are being more realistic.
2. The majority of air freight being flown to and from the North West is in fact flown from Newcastle, Glasgow and Prestwick, there is no commercially viable demand to fly such from Carlisle and there never will be.
3. The catchement area surrounding the airport is insufficiant to support passenger air services to any destination, once again Newcastle and Glasgow already provide such needs and will always be able to undercut anyone operating from Carlisle.
So take another good look at the brochure and tie it up with what Stobart's media people said when they first bought the place - very much the same.
Note the fact that Stobart wants to move their head office operation and a significant part of their main depot to the airport site.
They want the local council to improve the road link to the airport and once they do, Stobart have a self made head office and a major distribution centre for a knock down price.
In the brochure, Stobart openly admit that they will never make a profit from the airport operations and I would wager that they have no intention of developing the airport but intend to turn it into a major industrial park and retail centre.
As they own the site already and such a proposal would do far more for the local economy than a new airport ever would, I don't think they'll have any problem getting permission to go ahead with it.
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I see there are a few Eastern Airways pics in the brochure and a mention of 'interested airlines' but I note that there is no mention of anything on the EA website.
Still, it would be good to see a run-down airport given a new lease of life.....
Still, it would be good to see a run-down airport given a new lease of life.....