G-XXXX ready for departure
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G-XXXX ready for departure
Another question that's been bugging me, I think with no right or wrong answer.
You are sat at final holding pen before joining the runway. There is an aircraft on base that you can see. Do you announce "G-XXXX ready for departure" to say I'm ready for departure whenever ATIS is ?
Or do you wait until you the aircraft on base, lands and vacates the runway and you really are ready, and prepared for departure before calling "ready for departure" ?
I'm presuming an "information" service that you are talking to.
You are sat at final holding pen before joining the runway. There is an aircraft on base that you can see. Do you announce "G-XXXX ready for departure" to say I'm ready for departure whenever ATIS is ?
Or do you wait until you the aircraft on base, lands and vacates the runway and you really are ready, and prepared for departure before calling "ready for departure" ?
I'm presuming an "information" service that you are talking to.
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You don't want to scare anyone into thinking you're about to enter the runway and take off!
Better would be "G-XXXX on <taxiway designatin> , holding short of <runway identifer>, power checks complete and ready for departure."
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Better would be "G-XXXX on <taxiway designatin> , holding short of <runway identifer>, power checks complete and ready for departure."
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Surely it's a judgement call... if you're all ready to roll you'll be long gone before said aircraft is anywhere near the runway. You could say "Visual with traffic on base, ready for immediate".
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If you are talking to a tower, I would say "G-XXXX ready for departure"
They may reply, "Can you accept an immediate"
Your reply "Afirm"
Tower would say, "Cleared immediate take-off, rwy xx, wind xxx/xx"
A radio or information service would simply say, "Roger" They are not there to tell you whether to take off or land and cannot give you a clearance. If you are visual with traffic on a base leg then I would suggest there is more than enough space/time to depart.
As a general comment there is no need for long waffling statements on the radio. Short, sharp and concise.
There are right/wrong answers with regards to R/T. They can be found in CAP413 at www.caa.co.uk
They may reply, "Can you accept an immediate"
Your reply "Afirm"
Tower would say, "Cleared immediate take-off, rwy xx, wind xxx/xx"
A radio or information service would simply say, "Roger" They are not there to tell you whether to take off or land and cannot give you a clearance. If you are visual with traffic on a base leg then I would suggest there is more than enough space/time to depart.
As a general comment there is no need for long waffling statements on the radio. Short, sharp and concise.
There are right/wrong answers with regards to R/T. They can be found in CAP413 at www.caa.co.uk
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"Ready for departure, traffic on base in sight" lets everybody know you are ready but you've seen the traffic and are not going to line up or do something else stupid which might interfere with that traffic.
"Ready for immediate departure, traffic on base in sight" subtly lets the tower controllers know that you think you can squeeze in front. But at the end of the day, it's their judgement call.
At a controlled airport I call "ready for departure" as soon as I am ready (checks complete), regardless of what happens around me (other than finding a suitable moment in the R/T stream). My opinion is the earlier ATC knows about my readiness state, the earlier they can schedule me in the runway order. But I do try to let ATC know that I'm aware of the situation. "Ready for departure at xxx, number two", even when number one hasn't called ready for departure yet (student taking his sweet little time with the power checks) has, on occasion, granted me with a "can you pass the number one?" "affirm" "cleared for immediate takeoff"
"Ready for immediate departure, traffic on base in sight" subtly lets the tower controllers know that you think you can squeeze in front. But at the end of the day, it's their judgement call.
At a controlled airport I call "ready for departure" as soon as I am ready (checks complete), regardless of what happens around me (other than finding a suitable moment in the R/T stream). My opinion is the earlier ATC knows about my readiness state, the earlier they can schedule me in the runway order. But I do try to let ATC know that I'm aware of the situation. "Ready for departure at xxx, number two", even when number one hasn't called ready for departure yet (student taking his sweet little time with the power checks) has, on occasion, granted me with a "can you pass the number one?" "affirm" "cleared for immediate takeoff"
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Too much talk !
G-XXXX holding short RWY XX ready departure.
That is all you need say, the guy on final and the tower know that you are now ready to go and that you are holding clear of the runway. Any more is just useless waffle clogging the frequency!
Dispite "holding short" being an ICAO standard term the British don't seem to use it very much........................ Why when it is so usefull to keep the chat to a minimum?
However if the field is uncontroled and the aircraft is on base I would say "G-XXXX taking off RW XX" and be long gone before the average light aircraft was half way down final app.
That is all you need say, the guy on final and the tower know that you are now ready to go and that you are holding clear of the runway. Any more is just useless waffle clogging the frequency!
Dispite "holding short" being an ICAO standard term the British don't seem to use it very much........................ Why when it is so usefull to keep the chat to a minimum?
However if the field is uncontroled and the aircraft is on base I would say "G-XXXX taking off RW XX" and be long gone before the average light aircraft was half way down final app.
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Same as someone said above - if you think you can make it before he lands (and he's not been cleared or whatever..) "ready for departure, contact with aircraft on final", maybe even "ready for immediate departure, contact....". If not, it's "ready for departure, contact one on final, holding short".
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In an ATC environmemnt: "G-XXXX - ready for departure".
I don't care if you can see the traffic on base.
I don't care if you want to wait for the traffic on base (though by definition if you want to wait then you're not ready, therefore you shouldn't say anything).
The call itself is a simple statement of fact - nothing more - that you're "ready for departure". Checks are complete, you can go if I say.
That's it - nothing else required to be said.
In a FISO environment: "G-XXXX - ready for departure"
Much the same as the above, the difference being he'll pass traffic information, you make the decision whether to go or not.
In an A/G environment: "G-XXXX, lining up and departing Rwy ??, visual traffic on base" if you're going to go ahead of the traffic. If you're not and you're going to wait, then say nothing until the traffic is past you, the approach is clear, and then you just say "G-XXXX, lining up and departing Rwy ??"
"Ready for departure" implies that you're waiting for a take off clearance from someone - not appropriate at A/G airfields.
What a pile of useless guff! Of course you're holding short, you haven't been given a line up clearance - unnecessary verbiage. Power checks complete - who cares? More unnecessary verbiage.
I don't care if you can see the traffic on base.
I don't care if you want to wait for the traffic on base (though by definition if you want to wait then you're not ready, therefore you shouldn't say anything).
The call itself is a simple statement of fact - nothing more - that you're "ready for departure". Checks are complete, you can go if I say.
That's it - nothing else required to be said.
In a FISO environment: "G-XXXX - ready for departure"
Much the same as the above, the difference being he'll pass traffic information, you make the decision whether to go or not.
In an A/G environment: "G-XXXX, lining up and departing Rwy ??, visual traffic on base" if you're going to go ahead of the traffic. If you're not and you're going to wait, then say nothing until the traffic is past you, the approach is clear, and then you just say "G-XXXX, lining up and departing Rwy ??"
"Ready for departure" implies that you're waiting for a take off clearance from someone - not appropriate at A/G airfields.
Originally Posted by dublinpilot
"G-XXXX on <taxiway designatin> , holding short of <runway identifer>, power checks complete and ready for departure."
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To be clear, I'm thinking about situations where you know you can't depart because of traffic. In those situations do you tell ATC that you are ready for departure so they can schedule you in, or should you wait until you are ready and prepared for departure ?
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You should not say "ready for departure" untill all the checks are done and you are ready for departure.
I cant beleave I,m having to write this, is it not common sence?
I cant beleave I,m having to write this, is it not common sence?
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Sorry I don't understand!
You are ready for departure ........or you are not ready for departure.
If you are not ready in any way DON'T call ready. If you are ready to line up and go call "ready".
You are ready for departure ........or you are not ready for departure.
If you are not ready in any way DON'T call ready. If you are ready to line up and go call "ready".
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If you are ready for departure, tell ATC, as briefly as possible. It's now up to them to make the decision as to when you take off, not you.
Chilli Monster is an ATCO and tells it like it is.
Chilli Monster is an ATCO and tells it like it is.
I don't care if you want to wait for the traffic on base (though by definition if you want to wait then you're not ready, therefore you shouldn't say anything).
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Originally Posted by bookworm
find it hard to believe that it's not helpful for planning for the tower to know in advance that you'll be ready after the next landing rather than your waiting until the landing aircraft has passed before opeining your mouth.
)it really isn't necessary for you to say when you're going to be ready if you're not ready at that point in time. All I want to hear is "Ready" when you're ready, not before. (Because if I think I can get you out ahead of a 737 on a 3 mile final I'll do it 
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"N-XXXX ready for departure" is OK anytime unless there is traffic before me waiting to depart, in which case I use
"N-XXXX ready for departure in turn"
Abroad, I would not use the "in turn" because ATC English competence is often limited solely to the prescribed phrases, so any kind of free use of the English language is a dodgy area. This is going to change, over time, as a result of new English language competence requirements for ATC, which I dare say a lot of people out there aren't too happy about.
"N-XXXX ready for departure in turn"
Abroad, I would not use the "in turn" because ATC English competence is often limited solely to the prescribed phrases, so any kind of free use of the English language is a dodgy area. This is going to change, over time, as a result of new English language competence requirements for ATC, which I dare say a lot of people out there aren't too happy about.
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Pprune is such a useful resource to elicit useful bits of info but I can't help feeling that some of the questions asked here recently indicate a serious decrease in the level of basic instruction.
This question and the one about total time should have been covered by the instructor during ab-initio lessons.
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This question and the one about total time should have been covered by the instructor during ab-initio lessons.
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You could always say:
"G-XX, Ready for departure, able immediate."
Economical with the words, and shows you recognise the traffic situation, and shows you don't have some technical ADD situation requiring action on the runway such that an immediate will not be possible.
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"G-XX, Ready for departure, able immediate."
Economical with the words, and shows you recognise the traffic situation, and shows you don't have some technical ADD situation requiring action on the runway such that an immediate will not be possible.
pb