JAR-IR ballpark cost ?
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JAR-IR ballpark cost ?
Interested in doing this.
How much ?
What sort of validation ?
What sort of currency ?
I know about the IMC rating, but I want to go internationally.
I'm thinking, given the fantastic weather we have in the UK, keeping an IR current shouldn't be a problem.....
How much ?
What sort of validation ?
What sort of currency ?
I know about the IMC rating, but I want to go internationally.
I'm thinking, given the fantastic weather we have in the UK, keeping an IR current shouldn't be a problem.....
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Around £12k by the time you have done the exams and the flight training SEP. Add another few grand if you want MEP.
Renewed by test every 12 months. Technically the only currency required is to pass the renewal test. In practice you need to be on the clocks on a regular basis and doing a couple of approaches a month.
You will need to own or have access to a quality tourer, one with Mode S, a GNSS fit such as a Garmin/King GPS, FM Immune etc. De-ice is nice to have and will improve your mission capability. (I am sat waiting for a front to clear before I head to Amsterdam as I am not de-iced). The average club hack is not up to the job. Trying to do any serious touring using steam kit is a pain in the bum. GPS makes it a lot easier and you get better routing when you are able to file SDG/S. An auto pilot is a must have as well. Ok hand flying for a couple of hours but a long haul really tires you out.
True IFR flying is one of the easiest things going and one of the best kept secrets in GA. File, climb on top, sit in the sun, do a neat procedure at the end and bobs your uncle.
Think of those days when it is overcast and the tops are so tantalizingly close, yet you can't get up there on your IMC as it is Class A! You can with an IR, into the airway and off you go.....
Renewed by test every 12 months. Technically the only currency required is to pass the renewal test. In practice you need to be on the clocks on a regular basis and doing a couple of approaches a month.
You will need to own or have access to a quality tourer, one with Mode S, a GNSS fit such as a Garmin/King GPS, FM Immune etc. De-ice is nice to have and will improve your mission capability. (I am sat waiting for a front to clear before I head to Amsterdam as I am not de-iced). The average club hack is not up to the job. Trying to do any serious touring using steam kit is a pain in the bum. GPS makes it a lot easier and you get better routing when you are able to file SDG/S. An auto pilot is a must have as well. Ok hand flying for a couple of hours but a long haul really tires you out.
True IFR flying is one of the easiest things going and one of the best kept secrets in GA. File, climb on top, sit in the sun, do a neat procedure at the end and bobs your uncle.
Think of those days when it is overcast and the tops are so tantalizingly close, yet you can't get up there on your IMC as it is Class A! You can with an IR, into the airway and off you go.....
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IR revalidation isn't too onerous. Even with no practice between my initial and first revalidation nine months later, just an hour and half before the test was sufficient and I am a of distinctly average ability. You can revalidate in the sim every second year.
How true. There are plenty of aircraft for hire with speed, de-ice, with GNS, with a long range capability, with Mode S and for a reasonable cost, just not all at the same time. If you can afford a large fraction share or outright ownership of a suitable steed you're laughing.
The average club hack is not up to the job.
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An alternative route, attractive for somebody with access to an N-reg plane, is to do the FAA PPL/IR, fly around Europe on that, and then get the JAA IR by sitting the JAA exams and doing the JAA checkride.
In the UK the CAA requires an additional 15hrs of flight training but other JAA states don't need this and just want the checkride pass, which if you are good and current on type, should be assured.
This also gives you the option of staying on N-reg for a bit, and seeing how the political picture pans out in the coming years.
The FAA IR uses a DIY rolling currency which is easy to meet for anybody who flies for real.
In the UK the CAA requires an additional 15hrs of flight training but other JAA states don't need this and just want the checkride pass, which if you are good and current on type, should be assured.
This also gives you the option of staying on N-reg for a bit, and seeing how the political picture pans out in the coming years.
The FAA IR uses a DIY rolling currency which is easy to meet for anybody who flies for real.
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I agree wholeheartedly with IO540.
You can get an FAA IR in a couple of weeks out in the States for about 1/3 the cost of a JAA one. In an 'N' registered aircraft you can do everything with your FAA IR that you can do with a JAA one.
The main difference is the written side of things. Just ONE exam for the FAA IR - computer based and although not especially hard, it does require you to have a thorough knowledge of the important stuff which you need to know if you are to fly IFR safely.
Worth mentioning that if you don't already have an IMC rating, the good folks at the CAA will give you one (for about £80) on the basis of your FAA IR.
You can get an FAA IR in a couple of weeks out in the States for about 1/3 the cost of a JAA one. In an 'N' registered aircraft you can do everything with your FAA IR that you can do with a JAA one.
The main difference is the written side of things. Just ONE exam for the FAA IR - computer based and although not especially hard, it does require you to have a thorough knowledge of the important stuff which you need to know if you are to fly IFR safely.
Worth mentioning that if you don't already have an IMC rating, the good folks at the CAA will give you one (for about £80) on the basis of your FAA IR.
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You can get an FAA IR in a couple of weeks out in the States
Only if you are pretty good already. I was "pretty good" already (by UK IMCR private pilot standards) and it took two very hard weeks.
the good folks at the CAA will give you one (for about £80) on the basis of your FAA IR
Except they disregard the FAA rolling currency and require you to have a current IPC.
There are routes to doing the whole FAA PPL/IR or CPL/IR in the UK, but I am not sure about some very recent changes regarding examiners. One man is claiming to have a sole agency for the UK as a DPE.
Only if you are pretty good already. I was "pretty good" already (by UK IMCR private pilot standards) and it took two very hard weeks.
the good folks at the CAA will give you one (for about £80) on the basis of your FAA IR
Except they disregard the FAA rolling currency and require you to have a current IPC.
There are routes to doing the whole FAA PPL/IR or CPL/IR in the UK, but I am not sure about some very recent changes regarding examiners. One man is claiming to have a sole agency for the UK as a DPE.
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and require you to have a current IPC.
)......or you can go the traditional route and get an IMC reval test flight.Regarding the question, lets not forget experience. You need a certain amount of P1 to start the IR, both in the UK and USA as well as other requirements and minimum total time which a newly qualified PPL won't have. This will add to the costs. If you have been flying a while your skills will be better and you will fly more accurately (probably) than a new PPL......
I'd say you need at least 100 hours before starting an IR, and if FAA at least 50 of these must be cross country > 50nm from departure to arrival aerodrome etc.....
