Side Slipping C172
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From: Chessington, UK
It never ceases to amaze me how much utter claptrap is spoken about this subject. Flaps being "ripped off"? Perlease....
There is only one correct answer to this: Look in the POH for your specific aircraft (not just any old 172's POH or one of the generic "pilot's guides"). Obey the limitations according to the actual words in there, not some rubbish that somebody once told you, or something you read on the internet somewhere. And don't exaggerate what it says in the POH.
Typically, the POH of some 172s specifies that you must not slip with full flaps (but check the wording in your specific POH).
This has, somehow, been twisted and distorted into:
There is only one correct answer to this: Look in the POH for your specific aircraft (not just any old 172's POH or one of the generic "pilot's guides"). Obey the limitations according to the actual words in there, not some rubbish that somebody once told you, or something you read on the internet somewhere. And don't exaggerate what it says in the POH.
Typically, the POH of some 172s specifies that you must not slip with full flaps (but check the wording in your specific POH).
This has, somehow, been twisted and distorted into:
- Do not slip a 172 with any flap
- Do not slip any 172 at all
- Do not slip any high-wing Cessna
- Just to be on the safe side, don't slip any aeroplane.
- If you do, the flaps will fall off and your willy will turn green
- etc...
- etc...
Last edited by dmjw01; 2nd August 2007 at 06:28.
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From: Here and there. Here at the moment but soon I'll be there.
This has, somehow, been twisted and distorted into:
Do not slip a 172 with any flap
Do not slip any 172 at all
Do not slip any high-wing Cessna
Just to be on the safe side, don't slip any aeroplane.
If you do, the flaps will fall off and your willy will turn green
etc...
etc...
Do not slip a 172 with any flap
Do not slip any 172 at all
Do not slip any high-wing Cessna
Just to be on the safe side, don't slip any aeroplane.
If you do, the flaps will fall off and your willy will turn green
etc...
etc...
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From: Here and there. Here at the moment but soon I'll be there.
Final 3 Greens Said:
Does this have something to do with your PPRuNe Id?
If you do, the flaps will fall off and your willy will turn green
You mean it isn't true??????
You mean it isn't true??????
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From: The frozen north....
I've also had this conversation with numerous instructors over the years and had very much different responses each time.
If I had an engine failure and needed to sideslip with 40 flap (would be dropping like a brick granted!) to make the only suitable field nearby then I'd do it regardless of what the POH says. I've tried this in my 172 with 40 flap at altitude and the only unusual effect I noticed was buffeting of the tailplane which could be confused with pre-stall buffet.
This was also what was explained to me by a very experienced instructor who said not to worry too much about it and that Cessna were just covering their backside, really cant see it flicking or flipping into a spin unless your being a real plonker on the controls however.
As for a normal approach, if you've got 40 flaps out and still need to sideslip then you really should be thinking about throwing it away and going around....
As for having problems sideslipping, I had a case years ago on my CPL course in a C172 where I just could not get the aircraft to sideslip properly. On the next pre-flight I paid particular attention to the rudder and sure enough I could waggle the rudder freely back and forth to nearly 1/3 deflection each way !
If I had an engine failure and needed to sideslip with 40 flap (would be dropping like a brick granted!) to make the only suitable field nearby then I'd do it regardless of what the POH says. I've tried this in my 172 with 40 flap at altitude and the only unusual effect I noticed was buffeting of the tailplane which could be confused with pre-stall buffet.
This was also what was explained to me by a very experienced instructor who said not to worry too much about it and that Cessna were just covering their backside, really cant see it flicking or flipping into a spin unless your being a real plonker on the controls however.
As for a normal approach, if you've got 40 flaps out and still need to sideslip then you really should be thinking about throwing it away and going around....
As for having problems sideslipping, I had a case years ago on my CPL course in a C172 where I just could not get the aircraft to sideslip properly. On the next pre-flight I paid particular attention to the rudder and sure enough I could waggle the rudder freely back and forth to nearly 1/3 deflection each way !
