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Old 12th Jul 2008, 17:03
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There is a long thread on this on flyer.co.uk - apparently this pilot had a long history behaving like a right plonker in the air, so much that various ATCOs reported him to the powers to be.

No action appears to have been taken.

The CAA does do enforcement but they concentrate on obvious cases of illegal public transport, particularly where an AOC holder has complained

The list of recent (successful) prosecutions can be found on their website.

The FAA would have busted this pratt ages ago, given that he drew attention to himself so much.
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Old 12th Jul 2008, 17:49
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The FAA would have busted this pratt ages ago, given that he drew attention to himself so much.
They might have taken his licence away, but how would they stop him flying? Confiscate his aircraft and put him on a "do not sell an aircraft to this man" list? - his rumoured behaviour gives no particular cause for anyone to think that he would have stopped flying just because he didn't have a licence.
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Old 12th Jul 2008, 19:19
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They might have taken his licence away, but how would they stop him flying?
It probably would if he was based at an airfield, because the word would get around (GA gossip travels a lot faster than a C150) that he hasn't got a PPL.

If he was based on a strip then no, but I wonder how many private strips would have somebody like that among them. From what I have seen, most are socially very tight groups which are hard to get into. I think he'd find it easier to get into a gliding club (where most members are married to each other) than into an average private strip scene

He would have to own the private site; then it would work.

Same thing really as driving with no driving license, with no roadtax, and avoiding being out near the pub closing time, and not parking on public roads It's quite possible if nobody knows you, so when the local rag prints the court case report nobody recognises it.
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Old 13th Jul 2008, 09:17
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Hair testing as a part of the Class 1/2 medical is an option, and it detects "all" types of drugs months after use.

The test cost about £100.

The Norwegian MOD has started to use it, with good results.
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Old 13th Jul 2008, 13:59
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Thinning badly with a number 2 on top, I can't imagine I would have a record for very long......... my oldest hair has been there for about 2 weeks!

It does seem to test for more things than I thought, but the motivations for these tests need to be examined. Don't confuse genuine safety aspects with social control. It cannot be disputed that the drug associated with the vast majority of accidents is alcohol, if you want to stop this then have compulsory breathalysers in each airport/ strip. Before you fly you must attend for a breath test or risk revocation of your licence. The pilot flying after a heavy night is of far more risk to himself and others that someone who took MDMA 90 days ago. Read this if you need convincing!

Air Accidents Investigation Branch: Piper PA-28R-201T Turbo Cherokee Arrow III, G-JMTT

Let me add that no, I do not take drugs, no, I am not advocating their use, and no, I do not think they are safe. But, in the piloting community, it is booze that is the problem 99 times out of 100. Crack down on that if anything. 8 hours bottle to throttle is a nonsense when the limit is (rightly) 20mg/dl.
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Old 13th Jul 2008, 17:11
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How the hell did he pass at all given that he was grounded whilst revalidating his ppl and then reported by Air Traffic.

Seems to me that this guy was a ticking time bomb!!! Unfortunately he took a poor young lad with him.
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Old 13th Jul 2008, 17:32
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Red face best figure is zero . . . . . . . .

8 hours bottle to throttle is a nonsense when the limit is (rightly) 20mg/dl
That may be the legal limit, but for me personally, and almost everyone I know and in our flying club, there is only one figure . . . . . ZERO !

The AAIB accident report to which you gave the link above is a timely reminder to all of us of the still complex nature of flying even a simple aircraft, and just how easily that skill can be fatally diluted.
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Old 13th Jul 2008, 20:00
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There is nothing one can do about total clowns like this.

One could bring in some kind of comeback against instructors. That would make some of them think twice when they do a checkout. But this bloke might have been sober on the day, and his escapades in the air (which got reported) might have occurred while he was under the influence....

Fortunately this is very rare.
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Old 13th Jul 2008, 23:32
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Red face ah yes, but civilians . . . . . ? ?

Hair testing as a part of the Class 1/2 medical is an option. . . . . . . . . . . . .. .The Norwegian MOD has started to use it
Presumably MOD means the same as ours, ie military ! In military settings tests like this can easily be imposed whether the recipients like it or not !

Anyone know of anything like this being accepted willingly and voluntarily by CIVILIAN pilots, anywhere at all ?
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The same way that they will force each aircraft to have a mode S transponder, a flight test to keep our licence current every year or two or any of the other rules that EASA is re-inventing. They can make you do anything that they want, just depends how much you want to keep on flying.
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