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Old 29th Jun 2007, 20:48
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I am pilot not a carpenter!

A professional pilot is operating above through and below the level quoted and is in IMC throughout. That is why the topic was posted I believe and consequently it is also why that professional pilot could have pressed the PTT on hearing the clearance to transit at 2000ft VFR to pass that very useful piece of information that IMC conditions existed from 3000 or whatever down to 1200 or whatever.

It may be VMC at 2000ft or it may not. But it gives both ATC and the pilot who could be some distance from the airspace concerned a heads up that VFR at 2000ft may not be a good plan.

I have heard recently a call of N123yz vfr from abc to def intermittent IMC request fis.........N3YZ roger flight information service QNH 1013. It must only be the UK where a VFR flight reporting intermittent IMC on VFR flight does not get the alarm bells ringing with both pilots and ATS.

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Old 30th Jun 2007, 13:02
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A professional pilot is operating above through and below the level quoted and is in IMC throughout. That is why the topic was posted I believe and consequently it is also why that professional pilot could have pressed the PTT on hearing the clearance to transit at 2000ft VFR to pass that very useful piece of information that IMC conditions existed from 3000 or whatever down to 1200 or whatever.

And what exactly could ATC have done with such a piece of information?

Their remit extends to giving a VFR transit and asking the pilot to maintain VMC. Anything beyond that they can't do, and can't enforce.

Lots of pilots tell porkies about whether they are in VMC. It is routinely done by > 2000kg piston twin drivers to avoid Eurocontrol charges. In the UK, Class G, nobody really cares anyway and that is how the culture over here has developed. The other day I did a 150nm flight and changed VFR <-> IFR several times. I was under a radar service so I just told them, no big deal. But I don't think anybody actually cared.

What does your "professional pilot" label mean? Do you have to have a CPL, or an ATPL?
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Old 10th Feb 2008, 20:58
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( at the risk of being made to look stupid)

If you are IMC or IR rated (and in controlled airspace) can you fly VFR at 2000ft and be absolved of the need to be in sight of the surface? I realise that outside CAS this is only permitted above 3000ft MSL or 1000ft above the SFC, whichever is higher.

Based on this, could it be that his clearance was "not below 2000ft". And in fact he was VFR "on top"?

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Old 11th Feb 2008, 04:20
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"In sight of the surface" is a restriction on the basic PPL. Once an IMC or IR has been obtained this restiction goes away (world wide I might add). So you can actually be "VFR" but not "in sight of the surface" if you hold one of these qualifications.
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