Microlight fly-in Sandown..poor airmanship
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Microlight fly-in Sandown..poor airmanship
If anyone out there knows of a blue/yellow microlight out of sandown that:
Transitted through the Shoreham ATZ without permission (or talking to them) at circuit height. Whilst popping in and out of cloud (I am sure those things should not go in IMC)
Then came head on to me whilst i was established left base. If that was not enough, then turned left as I took avoiding action right.
If anyone knows that pilot (and i use that term losely). Please inform him that he/she displayed appalling airmanship and in desperate need of some re-training.
Transitted through the Shoreham ATZ without permission (or talking to them) at circuit height. Whilst popping in and out of cloud (I am sure those things should not go in IMC)
Then came head on to me whilst i was established left base. If that was not enough, then turned left as I took avoiding action right.
If anyone knows that pilot (and i use that term losely). Please inform him that he/she displayed appalling airmanship and in desperate need of some re-training.
Things never change. Many years ago at Denham well before there was a hard runway , I was climbing out from runway 23 when a Comanche appeared on my left, flew along runway 26 and disappeared under my engine cowling. I then heard the CFI transmit on the A/G frequency to caution all in the 23 circuit (4 or 5) to caution the Comanche, as in those days 23 was left hand and 26 was right hand, thus base leg traffic would be head on! Course not a word on RTF from the Comanche pilot, but it WAS a/g so everyone kept a lookout.
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if you have a problem with another pilot, dont bitch on a rumour network, report it to the CAA or the airprox board if you feel needed. but moaning on here and trying to get hold of him (to beat him up, or what ever you are planning!) makes you not much better than him! - maybe slightly better, as you realise when some1 is abit ****!
I can give you details of how to report these things if you like...
I can give you details of how to report these things if you like...
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There I was, enjoying a lovely flight home from Sandown, when this idiot out of nowhere is coming straight at me!
I thought I was safe as the ANO says "clear of cloud", and with me going in and out, nobody else should have been there! I did think about switching on the radio as the bloke looked like he wanted to say something. Mind you, it would have been a waste of time as I still had it set on Sandown (left my chart in the bin having puked over it last night cos of too much beer
... I didn't write down any other frequencies as I use the chart for that) Still no harm done, I could see he had somewhere to go if he didn't like the weather as there was a lovely airfield right below 
Some people just don't know how to have fun ... he looked awful serious
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I thought I was safe as the ANO says "clear of cloud", and with me going in and out, nobody else should have been there! I did think about switching on the radio as the bloke looked like he wanted to say something. Mind you, it would have been a waste of time as I still had it set on Sandown (left my chart in the bin having puked over it last night cos of too much beer
... I didn't write down any other frequencies as I use the chart for that) Still no harm done, I could see he had somewhere to go if he didn't like the weather as there was a lovely airfield right below Some people just don't know how to have fun ... he looked awful serious
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please grow up.
Again, grow up. i never said anything of the sort.
If you think that the actions of that pilot were as described as professionally as you did above then you seem to have alot in common with him/her.
I have reported it.
This IS a rumour network and even if I knew the pilot, I would not name him/her here.
The post is a serious one about the lack of skills displayed.
And what might interest you is that I have just spoken to an experienced microlight pilot this afternoon about the incident and was told;
and i quote, "some microlight pilots i know are scared of the radio and would rather infringe".
The infringement was at the second busiest training airport in the country and one of the busiest overall. Not a good move.
So next time you post, try being a bit more constructive
but moaning on here and trying to get hold of him (to beat him up, or what ever you are planning!)
, as you realise when some1 is abit ****!
I can give you details of how to report these things if you like...
This IS a rumour network and even if I knew the pilot, I would not name him/her here.
The post is a serious one about the lack of skills displayed.
And what might interest you is that I have just spoken to an experienced microlight pilot this afternoon about the incident and was told;
and i quote, "some microlight pilots i know are scared of the radio and would rather infringe".
The infringement was at the second busiest training airport in the country and one of the busiest overall. Not a good move.
So next time you post, try being a bit more constructive
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Second busiest training airfield in the country?!? I think not!
Yes, the chap in question has probably made a fairly big mistake - but I'd suggest a navigational one rather than intentionally busting through an ATZ. Hands up everyone who's never made a navigational error in their life? Anyone? Didn't think so.
And before this turns into some kind of micro-bashing exercise, I have seen plenty enough examples of genuinely horrendous 'airmanship' from the spamcan community, too many to mention. My experiences of the micro world are limited but I suggest that people in glasshouses would be well advised to restrict their stone throwing activities.
Yes, the chap in question has probably made a fairly big mistake - but I'd suggest a navigational one rather than intentionally busting through an ATZ. Hands up everyone who's never made a navigational error in their life? Anyone? Didn't think so.
And before this turns into some kind of micro-bashing exercise, I have seen plenty enough examples of genuinely horrendous 'airmanship' from the spamcan community, too many to mention. My experiences of the micro world are limited but I suggest that people in glasshouses would be well advised to restrict their stone throwing activities.
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Oh dear, another "I always fly perfectly and everyone else displays appauling airmanship" thread.
Stop whinging and put it down to experience. The other pilots POV may have been completey different from yours. Maybe they had an emergency? Who knows.
Stop whinging and put it down to experience. The other pilots POV may have been completey different from yours. Maybe they had an emergency? Who knows.
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Trivial...
How about the guy in the Jodel today who called finals to land at North Weald on 02 with two JPs (correctly) on short finals for 20?
Following an exasperated 'Go Around' from the super-efficient AG radio getting as close to ATC as they dared, he then flew a 'bomber' circuit so far to the north that he infringed Stansted zone.
You do wonder how these people make themselves a cup of tea in the morning?
How about the guy in the Jodel today who called finals to land at North Weald on 02 with two JPs (correctly) on short finals for 20?
Following an exasperated 'Go Around' from the super-efficient AG radio getting as close to ATC as they dared, he then flew a 'bomber' circuit so far to the north that he infringed Stansted zone.
You do wonder how these people make themselves a cup of tea in the morning?
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Well heres a change , I went for a flight and through various reasons ended up infringing the zone of one of the uks biggest airports , causing an airbus to improv some holding type manouevers . I would like to hope that I woudnt have been slagged off like this . I was a relatively low hour ppl at the time . I phoned the atc unit concerned apologised visited them and saw my radar track on the screen and actions that had to be taken. I even submitted a chirp report. I am not the first person who has done this nor will I be the last . Simple fact is none of us are perfect and those that think they are , well they can fly without me . I learnt from this incident and hopefuly this will not happen again . Isnt that what a PPl is, a licence to learn ?
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"at circuit height. Whilst popping in and out of cloud " If the cloud base was that low, were you flying a low level circuits or were you IFR?
It sounds like the poor Pilot simply made a nav error whilst flying in less than ideal conditions. Don't get me me wrong, he shouldn't have done it.
If people go flying when the cloud base is (I presume) 900' things can happen. Low level nav in poor visibility is very difficult.
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It sounds like the poor Pilot simply made a nav error whilst flying in less than ideal conditions. Don't get me me wrong, he shouldn't have done it.
If people go flying when the cloud base is (I presume) 900' things can happen. Low level nav in poor visibility is very difficult.
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Did the rally go okay. The weather was a bit naughty!
Why moan about microlights after some of antics at the Isle of Wight Pop Festival. If Mick Jagger takes up flying the Isle of Wight will sink!!!!
Why moan about microlights after some of antics at the Isle of Wight Pop Festival. If Mick Jagger takes up flying the Isle of Wight will sink!!!!
Have a look at this thread over on the military forum:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279491
I'm in the RAF, and fly a microlight (C42), so I'm on both sides of the fence! These things happen; they shouldn't, but they do. Learn from your own, and other people's, mistakes.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279491
I'm in the RAF, and fly a microlight (C42), so I'm on both sides of the fence! These things happen; they shouldn't, but they do. Learn from your own, and other people's, mistakes.
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Let me see if I got this right;
You know the microlight that you saw near Shoreham came from Sandown?
If that is the case then you should use that great ESP and think up the pilot's telephone number and give them a call!!
Perhaps you should review a little air law - i.e.
Aircraft operating in the vicinity shall conform to the traffic pattern or avoid it. If you were left base and in the pattern you should be making left turns - the other pilot was probably avoiding the pattern i.e. operating corectly by turning left away from the circuit that you were following.
Perhaps he wasa bit shocked after encountering IMC, finding that he had infringed and ATZ and to cap it all - after leaving the ATZ (as you say) has to contend with circuit traffic outside the ATZ!!!
That is the thing about moaning - one usually uncovers a few of one's own failings also.
The report will no doubt reveal all!
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You know the microlight that you saw near Shoreham came from Sandown?
If that is the case then you should use that great ESP and think up the pilot's telephone number and give them a call!!
Perhaps you should review a little air law - i.e.
Aircraft operating in the vicinity shall conform to the traffic pattern or avoid it. If you were left base and in the pattern you should be making left turns - the other pilot was probably avoiding the pattern i.e. operating corectly by turning left away from the circuit that you were following.
Perhaps he wasa bit shocked after encountering IMC, finding that he had infringed and ATZ and to cap it all - after leaving the ATZ (as you say) has to contend with circuit traffic outside the ATZ!!!
That is the thing about moaning - one usually uncovers a few of one's own failings also.
The report will no doubt reveal all!
Regards,
DFC
You know the microlight that you saw near Shoreham came from Sandown?
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Airmanship
We fly right next to the Dehavilland Heritage museum and regulary get GA planes flying round the museum right on our approach path. Never heard one talk to us on the radio in 14 years.
A couple of years ago we were treated to an impromtu air display there which made trying to land quite exciting.
From the talk on here it looks as if flying in a zone is a REALLY DANGEROUS THING but flying against someones circuit pattern while looking at the nice little planes on the ground is OK
So yes we all make errors, some more deliberate than others.
A couple of years ago we were treated to an impromtu air display there which made trying to land quite exciting.
From the talk on here it looks as if flying in a zone is a REALLY DANGEROUS THING but flying against someones circuit pattern while looking at the nice little planes on the ground is OK
So yes we all make errors, some more deliberate than others.
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Read air law on aviding action. He was not supposed to be there. Your statement is ridiculous to say the least (irrelevant of what you fly). How can you be a bit shocked to enter IMC. You could see the cu for miles. A little knowledge and all that....................!
I have never slagged off the general population of microlight pilots. It's some of you who are making a them and us point..not me. I have NEVER mentioned microlights on any thread before so calm down.
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Shorehams training movement up to may 2007 were c.44,000. Beaten only by Gloucester. So I THINK YES.
I have never slagged off the general population of microlight pilots. It's some of you who are making a them and us point..not me. I have NEVER mentioned microlights on any thread before so calm down.
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Shorehams training movement up to may 2007 were c.44,000. Beaten only by Gloucester. So I THINK YES.
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Rob - I understand your point, but as I believe your airfield doesn't have an ATZ, unlike Shoreham, I'm afraid your case doesn't hold as much water. If every aircraft flying in the UK was required to avoid every airfield, regardless of status, then nav-planning would be a nightmare!