N reg craft to the UK?
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very interesting conversation, i have been following my thread very carefully. I must admit, preventing N reg aircraft sounds like EASA will be in one way monopolising the aircraft market, surely against some fair competition rules?
And anyway wouldnt the Americans resist European pressure, if the n reg aircraft is sold off quickly which is what i suspect will happen, the american market will be flooded with craft from europe. surely the americans will try to protect their own interests?
Seems like the europeans are taking drastic measures especially in the face of the global village, surely we need a more unified system as the world becomes our backyard!
Bose do you have any timescale for all these changes to happen or not happen by? or is this all simply a matter of feelings and hearsay? (no offence intended incase u have taken it wrongly).
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And anyway wouldnt the Americans resist European pressure, if the n reg aircraft is sold off quickly which is what i suspect will happen, the american market will be flooded with craft from europe. surely the americans will try to protect their own interests?
Seems like the europeans are taking drastic measures especially in the face of the global village, surely we need a more unified system as the world becomes our backyard!
Bose do you have any timescale for all these changes to happen or not happen by? or is this all simply a matter of feelings and hearsay? (no offence intended incase u have taken it wrongly).
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No, it's feeling and hearsay. But it's hearsay from a considerable number of regulatory sources which indicates to me that they are talking to each other rather than just canteen opinion.
I agree that in the British view the politics with the Americans will be difficult, but then we are just one part of the European "state". Don't underestimate the level of hostility in Europe towards the USA. Our special relationship will count for nothing globally.
I don't think we will see a dumping of N reg aircraft onto the market, people flying will not stop just because they can't do it on the N reg they will just have to move onto EASA.
But like I said it's just my opinion!
I agree that in the British view the politics with the Americans will be difficult, but then we are just one part of the European "state". Don't underestimate the level of hostility in Europe towards the USA. Our special relationship will count for nothing globally.
I don't think we will see a dumping of N reg aircraft onto the market, people flying will not stop just because they can't do it on the N reg they will just have to move onto EASA.
But like I said it's just my opinion!
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I would agree that wholesale dumping is unlikely. Most people who fly regularly are too committed.
In the absolute worst case scenario (foreign reg planes getting banned from parking in EU after a stay of say 90 days - as the UK DfT proposed in 2005) you would have
- anybody who can go on G, at a cost of less than about £10k, would go on G
- anybody who cannot will sell to non-EASA regions, of which there are several in near Europe, or export to the USA, or (in the case of sub-£30k value) scrap it
The pilots will lose their IFR privileges. I am certain 90% would not do the JAA IR, unless there is a massive cut in the ground school, acceptance of FAA IR to some degree, and a removal of the extra medical requirements. They would just renew their IMC Rating for the UK, and elsewhere they would fly "VFR" - much as many > 2000kg piston twin owners do already.
But as I said, piston GA is not the issue here. The decision will be made according to other factors.
Regards hostility to the USA, nobody in the EU is more hostile to the US than the French, yet they scrapped their proposal to kick out N-reg so fast they hardly had time to dig up a cover story.
The wider effect would be on the industry. If you can't go "legit IFR" then there is no point in flying an IFR tourer. You may as well buy an IMC-equipped LSA and enjoy the much lower operating cost. Sales of Cirrus etc in Europe would be all but dead adn the bottom would drop out of the IFR 4-seater market - even more than it already has. The # of CAA/JAA IR holders (in the private arena) would not help; it is tiny and the demographics don't help either: most of them did their IR many years ago (using one of the shortcut routes which used to exist) and thus are not "spring chickens" and most of them will not be flying 10-20 years from now.
The UK flying schools would love to kick out N-reg planes because they naively think that suddenly everybody will sign up for 50hrs of IR training and ground school. But most FAA IR operators don't have the time for that stuff.
In the absolute worst case scenario (foreign reg planes getting banned from parking in EU after a stay of say 90 days - as the UK DfT proposed in 2005) you would have
- anybody who can go on G, at a cost of less than about £10k, would go on G
- anybody who cannot will sell to non-EASA regions, of which there are several in near Europe, or export to the USA, or (in the case of sub-£30k value) scrap it
The pilots will lose their IFR privileges. I am certain 90% would not do the JAA IR, unless there is a massive cut in the ground school, acceptance of FAA IR to some degree, and a removal of the extra medical requirements. They would just renew their IMC Rating for the UK, and elsewhere they would fly "VFR" - much as many > 2000kg piston twin owners do already.
But as I said, piston GA is not the issue here. The decision will be made according to other factors.
Regards hostility to the USA, nobody in the EU is more hostile to the US than the French, yet they scrapped their proposal to kick out N-reg so fast they hardly had time to dig up a cover story.
The wider effect would be on the industry. If you can't go "legit IFR" then there is no point in flying an IFR tourer. You may as well buy an IMC-equipped LSA and enjoy the much lower operating cost. Sales of Cirrus etc in Europe would be all but dead adn the bottom would drop out of the IFR 4-seater market - even more than it already has. The # of CAA/JAA IR holders (in the private arena) would not help; it is tiny and the demographics don't help either: most of them did their IR many years ago (using one of the shortcut routes which used to exist) and thus are not "spring chickens" and most of them will not be flying 10-20 years from now.
The UK flying schools would love to kick out N-reg planes because they naively think that suddenly everybody will sign up for 50hrs of IR training and ground school. But most FAA IR operators don't have the time for that stuff.
