PPL Currency Question
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Hi,
I have recently obtained my PPL(A). I just have a question regarding keeping it current.
As far as im aware in order to keep the license current i need to fly a minimum of 12 hours every 2nd year? Is this correct?
So theoretically i could fly 50 hours in year 1 and 10 hours in year too and my license is no longer current?
What happens if my license does lapse, what do I need to do to re-validate it?
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Ian
I have recently obtained my PPL(A). I just have a question regarding keeping it current.
As far as im aware in order to keep the license current i need to fly a minimum of 12 hours every 2nd year? Is this correct?
So theoretically i could fly 50 hours in year 1 and 10 hours in year too and my license is no longer current?
What happens if my license does lapse, what do I need to do to re-validate it?
Cheers
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Yes your right. The 12 hours must be in the last 12 months of the two years. This must include 1 hour with an instructor (P/UT) and i think a minimum of 6 take off and landings.
You then must get that signed up within the expiry time. If not signed or you do not do the 12 hours. You can renew the SEP class rating by a skills test with an examiner . If you let it lapse for more than 5 years its a full PPL skill test.
I am pretty sure the above is accurate but look in LASORS or the CAA website.
jtk
You then must get that signed up within the expiry time. If not signed or you do not do the 12 hours. You can renew the SEP class rating by a skills test with an examiner . If you let it lapse for more than 5 years its a full PPL skill test.
I am pretty sure the above is accurate but look in LASORS or the CAA website.
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"Yes your right. The 12 hours must be in the last 12 months of the two years. This must include 1 hour with an instructor (P/UT) and i think a minimum of 6 take off and landings."
NO - The requirement for maintaining SEP Class Rating validity is for 12 hours total in the second 12 month period, of which 6 must be as PIC and 1 must be a training flight with a FI or CRI(SPA). It includes a requirement for 12 take-offs and landings.
"You then must get that signed up within the expiry time."
Before the end of the Rating validity period.
"If not signed or you do not do the 12 hours. You can renew the SEP class rating by a skills test with an examiner . If you let it lapse for more than 5 years its a full PPL skill test."
NO. If you do not get the Certificate of Revalidation signed within the validity period, you will be required to renew the Rating by flying a SEP Class Rating renewal LST. As an alternative to acheiving the mandatory 12 hours, you may revalidate your SEP Class Rating by flying a SEP Class Rating revalidation LPC within the last 3 months of the Rating validity period.
Your licence not Rating, must be re-issued after 5 years. To do so, you need to hold a valid Class (or Type) Rating and medical, complete a form and send it (plus re-issue fee) to the CAA.
If you let your Rating lapse by more than 5 years, you will need to pass a SEP Class Rating renewal LST and pass an oral exam with the Examiner, then send your paperwork off to the CAA...with the relevant fee. You do NOT need to fly the full PPL Skill Test!
Finally, you need to maintain 90 day recency in order to carry passengers.
"I am pretty sure the above is accurate but look in LASORS or the CAA website."
Not really. So why not download LASORS free of charge from http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf .
NO - The requirement for maintaining SEP Class Rating validity is for 12 hours total in the second 12 month period, of which 6 must be as PIC and 1 must be a training flight with a FI or CRI(SPA). It includes a requirement for 12 take-offs and landings.
"You then must get that signed up within the expiry time."
Before the end of the Rating validity period.
"If not signed or you do not do the 12 hours. You can renew the SEP class rating by a skills test with an examiner . If you let it lapse for more than 5 years its a full PPL skill test."
NO. If you do not get the Certificate of Revalidation signed within the validity period, you will be required to renew the Rating by flying a SEP Class Rating renewal LST. As an alternative to acheiving the mandatory 12 hours, you may revalidate your SEP Class Rating by flying a SEP Class Rating revalidation LPC within the last 3 months of the Rating validity period.
Your licence not Rating, must be re-issued after 5 years. To do so, you need to hold a valid Class (or Type) Rating and medical, complete a form and send it (plus re-issue fee) to the CAA.
If you let your Rating lapse by more than 5 years, you will need to pass a SEP Class Rating renewal LST and pass an oral exam with the Examiner, then send your paperwork off to the CAA...with the relevant fee. You do NOT need to fly the full PPL Skill Test!
Finally, you need to maintain 90 day recency in order to carry passengers.
"I am pretty sure the above is accurate but look in LASORS or the CAA website."
Not really. So why not download LASORS free of charge from http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf .
SoCal, yes, you're absolutely correct.
Unfortunately the general mentality amongst students in the UK is that Air Law is something only used to pass an exam, then promptly binned.....
Even when LASORS is available for free download, many PPL holders are too lazy to bother....
Unfortunately the general mentality amongst students in the UK is that Air Law is something only used to pass an exam, then promptly binned.....
Even when LASORS is available for free download, many PPL holders are too lazy to bother....
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Well, there's
(1) knowing what you need to know, and
(2) memorising some arcane gibberish for the exam and forgetting it the next day.
The Air Law exam has by far the largest quotient of (2).
If a new PPL knows "I'm OK for now, but I'd better suss out the details before the two years is up" he's not done anything wrong, yet. (Remember, depending on how old you are two years could be quite a long time, plus when you're taking Air Law it hasn't really crossed your mind yet that you really will end up with the licence one day!)
He'd have scored more points by remembering to look it up in LASORS, and even more points by being able to make head or tail of what it says in LASORS ... but asking here in good time is at least lots better than not asking here and just letting the two years pass by surely to goodness.
(1) knowing what you need to know, and
(2) memorising some arcane gibberish for the exam and forgetting it the next day.
The Air Law exam has by far the largest quotient of (2).
If a new PPL knows "I'm OK for now, but I'd better suss out the details before the two years is up" he's not done anything wrong, yet. (Remember, depending on how old you are two years could be quite a long time, plus when you're taking Air Law it hasn't really crossed your mind yet that you really will end up with the licence one day!)
He'd have scored more points by remembering to look it up in LASORS, and even more points by being able to make head or tail of what it says in LASORS ... but asking here in good time is at least lots better than not asking here and just letting the two years pass by surely to goodness.
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Unfortunately the general mentality amongst students in the UK is that Air Law is something only used to pass an exam, then promptly binned.....
They might also be affected by the lack of ground teaching of Air Law. Air Law is a practical subject once it is seen in context. When you try to learn it at home 'to pass the exam', it tends to lose its context and become dry. Instructors should be making sure that students understand the context of what they are learning.
Instructors should also be testing and reinforcing their students knowledge of airlaw in the air. e.g. "How close can we get to that mast legally?". On a recet night flight my instructor did this to me and realised it was the first time in long while that I'd had my knowledge of Air Law tested.
There is a lot of Air Law, and there are bits you only need very occasionally. Instructors should really be helping students to learn and memorise those bits that need instant recall, and ensuring the student has ready access to the bits that cannot be memorised. (There are bits of 'Air Law' pre-printed in my (AFE) Checklists and and on my PLOG board.)
I have heard instructors say to students, including myself, "You just need to learn Air Law to pass the exam". Please can you all start saying "You will need Air Law when you are in the air and possibly under pressure - you need to know this intimately!"
Some testing of Air Law on a regular basis, as per the US system would appear to be a good idea, so long as the question bank was based on the useful, practical parts of the syllabus.
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I have found it a very useful exercise to have to revise Air law from sratch after my lay-off. My attitude to Learning at 38 is somewhat different to that at 17!
I agree that there is a lot of useless stuff in there for the PPL, but at the same time there is a lot that will kill you if you don't know it
I agree that there is a lot of useless stuff in there for the PPL, but at the same time there is a lot that will kill you if you don't know it
Try learning ATPL Air Law at 42! Almost as much fun as CFS A2 study a few weeks later!
Still, both convinced me of the need to pass first time!
Still, both convinced me of the need to pass first time!
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bean_ian,
your location is quoted as ireland...what licence do you hold...the old national one or a JAA one...
some of the helpful information you have received relates to english law not JAA..and may not be entirely correct.
the dean.
your location is quoted as ireland...what licence do you hold...the old national one or a JAA one...
some of the helpful information you have received relates to english law not JAA..and may not be entirely correct.
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Hi bean_ian!
I don't have my license yet, but if you are interested in keeping current you might find this thread quite interesting.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=263344
I don't have my license yet, but if you are interested in keeping current you might find this thread quite interesting.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=263344
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Ian,
Section F1 pages 10 and 11 which are pages 242 and 243 of the whole thing
(for the 2007 edition)
Brooklands
Tried LASORS and could not find what I was looking for!
(for the 2007 edition)
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hi ian,
ok then..you have been given the details by others..
then contact the caa about renewal or the iaa...examiners in ireland can renew for you and he must give you a copy of his examiners rating with the renewal form to the caa...or if you go through the iaa they will return it for you.if there is sufficient time the caa might have a different form than the iaa to give you but if there is insufficient the iaa form i think will be accepted by the caa.
if you are in dublin...call ( 01 ) only if your are outside the 01 area 6718655...or call to them at aviation house hawkins street D2...just beside o'connell bridge ( south side )..and look for personnel licencing section.they are very helpful.
do'nt let the rating ( not a licence as someone said ) expire or you will have to do the skills test again( as you were told)..LST.
if you cannot meet the requirements and the SEL (single engine land..plane rating ) is still valid...you will have to apply to do the LPC ..licence proficiency check ( as opposed to the LST ... licence skills test ).the iaa can arrange this.
of course remember to keep your medical valid as well sine JAA licences are driven now by the two...the rating currency and...the medical currency. without both you cannot act as PIC.
hope this helps.
gear up.
the dean.
ok then..you have been given the details by others..
then contact the caa about renewal or the iaa...examiners in ireland can renew for you and he must give you a copy of his examiners rating with the renewal form to the caa...or if you go through the iaa they will return it for you.if there is sufficient time the caa might have a different form than the iaa to give you but if there is insufficient the iaa form i think will be accepted by the caa.
if you are in dublin...call ( 01 ) only if your are outside the 01 area 6718655...or call to them at aviation house hawkins street D2...just beside o'connell bridge ( south side )..and look for personnel licencing section.they are very helpful.
do'nt let the rating ( not a licence as someone said ) expire or you will have to do the skills test again( as you were told)..LST.
if you cannot meet the requirements and the SEL (single engine land..plane rating ) is still valid...you will have to apply to do the LPC ..licence proficiency check ( as opposed to the LST ... licence skills test ).the iaa can arrange this.
of course remember to keep your medical valid as well sine JAA licences are driven now by the two...the rating currency and...the medical currency. without both you cannot act as PIC.
hope this helps.
gear up.
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look it is simple really .. .. ..
fly sufficient to feel comfortable and current and you can ignore what the rules say - you will be well within the requirements .. .. ..
fly less frequently and you will not only have the rules to worry about
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Ideal world I know, not everyone can do so - I know, but still never the less true .
fly sufficient to feel comfortable and current and you can ignore what the rules say - you will be well within the requirements .. .. ..
fly less frequently and you will not only have the rules to worry about
.Ideal world I know, not everyone can do so - I know, but still never the less true
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Does the 12 hours in the 12 preceding months have to be in G-reg aircraft?
For example, I hold a JAR-PPL(A) and a half an Australian PPL (GFPT), which I hope to convert to a full PPL at some point. Notionally half of my flying is done in VH-reg aircraft and half in G-reg. Do the flying hours in VH-reg aircraft count towards the 12 hours?
I would like to think it was an irrelevant question, but due to my wandering about the world with business, my flying is a bit sporadic, unfortunately...
A
For example, I hold a JAR-PPL(A) and a half an Australian PPL (GFPT), which I hope to convert to a full PPL at some point. Notionally half of my flying is done in VH-reg aircraft and half in G-reg. Do the flying hours in VH-reg aircraft count towards the 12 hours?
I would like to think it was an irrelevant question, but due to my wandering about the world with business, my flying is a bit sporadic, unfortunately...
A
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I don't think it makes a difference what reg aircraft you do it in, when i was in the states a lot of people (JAA CAA PPL's) where coming over for a cheap way to keep their license current and that was all in N reg aircraft.
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Beagle just 1 small update on your large-ish post up there, the LPC can be done at anytime within the 2 year SEP validity to revalidate the licence. If it is done +3 months before the current one expires, you'll get 2 years from the date of the LPC. If its within these 3 months you get 2 years ontop of the remaining validity.
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Don't forget that the flight with an instructor can be replaced by any test - my IMC renewal handily coincides with my SEP renewal so the IMC test plus adequate hours (no problem!) qualifies me to get the SEP renewal signed off at the same time. Which is coming up in a couple of weeks... off to practise my NDB holds...
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