Where to go in the new Saratoga, PPL IMC no IR!
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Where to go in the new Saratoga, PPL IMC no IR!
Hello all,
I have just managed to get myself sorted with the Saratoga. I is a 2003 TC model, and I love it!
Anyway, I am now trying to figure out where I can fly too! I have a UK PPL, with IMC, but no IR and I feel an aeroplane like the Toga would benefit from an IR at the controls.
I am looking for nice places to go for the day, or two within 2 or three hours flying. I am not scared of the French so don’t mind going over there but I would also like to explore some of the UK.
The Aircraft is at Andrewsfield and has a cruise of 165knts,
Thanks all
Nick
I have just managed to get myself sorted with the Saratoga. I is a 2003 TC model, and I love it!
Anyway, I am now trying to figure out where I can fly too! I have a UK PPL, with IMC, but no IR and I feel an aeroplane like the Toga would benefit from an IR at the controls.
I am looking for nice places to go for the day, or two within 2 or three hours flying. I am not scared of the French so don’t mind going over there but I would also like to explore some of the UK.
The Aircraft is at Andrewsfield and has a cruise of 165knts,
Thanks all
Nick
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Nice machine. Got a 430 and 530 and conventional cockpit or glass one?
Just get rid of your C.210 handle
Higher you get, the better it can go! Just remember to plan your descent! You'll be surprised how far out if you don't want to give the pax earache as you can easily make c. 200kts.
Nice machine. Got a 430 and 530 and conventional cockpit or glass one?Just get rid of your C.210 handle
Higher you get, the better it can go! Just remember to plan your descent! You'll be surprised how far out if you don't want to give the pax earache as you can easily make c. 200kts.
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It was getting old. The aircraft was nice but it needed a respray and, although it had a 430, it could have done with a refit inside. The seating was very nice and it was fast too.
The Saratoga is a different plane, not better in some cases. If you compair the C210 to a TVR and the 'toga to a Ferrari. They will both go very very fast but the Ferrari does it in a different way.
Some people like TVRs others Ferraris.
The Saratoga is a different plane, not better in some cases. If you compair the C210 to a TVR and the 'toga to a Ferrari. They will both go very very fast but the Ferrari does it in a different way.
Some people like TVRs others Ferraris.
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c210 = Ford Mondeo
Saratoga = Vauxhall Omega
TB20 = Ctiroen C3
Beechcraft Bonanza = BMW 5 Series
I think if you put this Q to the average non flying punter, their take would be something like
c210 = a 1960s washing machine with wings on top
Saratoga = a 1950s washing machine with wings on the bottom
TB20 = a BMW 5 series
Beechcraft Bonanza = a 1970s washing machine with wings on the bottom
There is no contest as to which one will have the best "bird appeal" by a wide margin, even though all - assuming similar de-ice eqpt etc - will have roughly similar mission capability.
None of them would even remotely resemble a Ferrari or a TVR. In relative terms, you would need a 1500kg airframe with a 750HP turbine on the front to do that. Then, you would find insufficient aileron+rudder authority to handle max power on takeoff - actually the same as with a TVR ... a friend has nearly killed himself in one of those, wrapping it around a post at a mere 30mph.
Saratoga = Vauxhall Omega
TB20 = Ctiroen C3
Beechcraft Bonanza = BMW 5 Series
I think if you put this Q to the average non flying punter, their take would be something like
c210 = a 1960s washing machine with wings on top
Saratoga = a 1950s washing machine with wings on the bottom
TB20 = a BMW 5 series
Beechcraft Bonanza = a 1970s washing machine with wings on the bottom
There is no contest as to which one will have the best "bird appeal" by a wide margin, even though all - assuming similar de-ice eqpt etc - will have roughly similar mission capability.
None of them would even remotely resemble a Ferrari or a TVR. In relative terms, you would need a 1500kg airframe with a 750HP turbine on the front to do that. Then, you would find insufficient aileron+rudder authority to handle max power on takeoff - actually the same as with a TVR
... a friend has nearly killed himself in one of those, wrapping it around a post at a mere 30mph.
actually the same as with a TVR ... a friend has nearly killed himself in one of those, wrapping it around a post at a mere 30mph.
(With apologies to your friend - hope he's OK )
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IO,
Heh ... as a Shaguar driver, I've long suspected that most BMWs could be taken for speed by a well-tuned 1960s washing machine ! 
Sorry IO, couldn't resist !
FF
c210 = a 1960s washing machine with wings on top
Saratoga = a 1950s washing machine with wings on the bottom
TB20 = a BMW 5 series
Beechcraft Bonanza = a 1970s washing machine with wings on the bottom
Saratoga = a 1950s washing machine with wings on the bottom
TB20 = a BMW 5 series
Beechcraft Bonanza = a 1970s washing machine with wings on the bottom
Sorry IO, couldn't resist !
FF
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You used to fly a 210 from Southend, you're now gonna fly a Saratoga from A'field. You want to know where you can go in 2 hours or so.
The answer is: roughly where you used to be able to go from Southend in 2 hours in the 210.
The answer is: roughly where you used to be able to go from Southend in 2 hours in the 210.
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"c210 = Ford Mondeo
Saratoga = Vauxhall Omega
TB20 = Ctiroen C3
Beechcraft Bonanza = BMW 5 Series
I think if you put this Q to the average non flying punter, their take would be something like
c210 = a 1960s washing machine with wings on top
Saratoga = a 1950s washing machine with wings on the bottom
TB20 = a BMW 5 series
Beechcraft Bonanza = a 1970s washing machine with wings on the bottom
There is no contest as to which one will have the best "bird appeal" by a wide margin, even though all - assuming similar de-ice eqpt etc - will have roughly similar mission capability."
IO, the one with the most "bird-appeal" will be the one that is painted pink. Just the way it is I'm afraid.
SB (Pink Mooney M20-R = fanny magnate)
Saratoga = Vauxhall Omega
TB20 = Ctiroen C3
Beechcraft Bonanza = BMW 5 Series
I think if you put this Q to the average non flying punter, their take would be something like
c210 = a 1960s washing machine with wings on top
Saratoga = a 1950s washing machine with wings on the bottom
TB20 = a BMW 5 series
Beechcraft Bonanza = a 1970s washing machine with wings on the bottom
There is no contest as to which one will have the best "bird appeal" by a wide margin, even though all - assuming similar de-ice eqpt etc - will have roughly similar mission capability."
IO, the one with the most "bird-appeal" will be the one that is painted pink.
Just the way it is I'm afraid.SB (Pink Mooney M20-R = fanny magnate)
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Surely the list should read thus:-
Ferrari = Mooney 251
BMW M3 = TB21
BMW/MERC 7 or E Class = Bonanza
TVR = Falco
F1 Car = Spitfire
But i would say most girls i know are more impressed by the PA31 Navajo, although the pilot has something to do with it no?
Saratoga = Range Rover!
Ferrari = Mooney 251
BMW M3 = TB21
BMW/MERC 7 or E Class = Bonanza
TVR = Falco
F1 Car = Spitfire
But i would say most girls i know are more impressed by the PA31 Navajo, although the pilot has something to do with it no?
Saratoga = Range Rover!
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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On topic: as I understand it, the Saratoga (at the least the club one) economics make more sense the longer the distance flown - and don't forget the fuel drawback benefit arising from cross-channel trips.
Actually, dammit - does fuel drawback work for flights to Eire from the UK and back? - I may have missed a trick there.
Anyway, on the cars front - I swapped two TVRs for two aeroplanes, but the analogy I would use is:
Griffith 500: Yak-52 - fantastic noise, laughable fuel economy; Russian.
Tuscan Speed-Six: Extra 300 - always a little bit scared of it, out-of-warranty bills could bankrupt a small African nation. A b@stard to start when hot.
Caterham Seven: The Pitts - totally focussed, legendary - although the Seven is a lot easier to park.
Actually, dammit - does fuel drawback work for flights to Eire from the UK and back? - I may have missed a trick there.
Anyway, on the cars front - I swapped two TVRs for two aeroplanes, but the analogy I would use is:
Griffith 500: Yak-52 - fantastic noise, laughable fuel economy; Russian.
Tuscan Speed-Six: Extra 300 - always a little bit scared of it, out-of-warranty bills could bankrupt a small African nation. A b@stard to start when hot.
Caterham Seven: The Pitts - totally focussed, legendary - although the Seven is a lot easier to park.