Video of C-182 crash
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Rotor,
I cannot believe that you are so sick that you put a link like this on a forum such as this!!!!!!!
The aircraft was overwieght, the pilot totally inexperienced, UTTER STUPIDITY!!!
You should be totally ashamed
I cannot believe that you are so sick that you put a link like this on a forum such as this!!!!!!!
The aircraft was overwieght, the pilot totally inexperienced, UTTER STUPIDITY!!!
You should be totally ashamed
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An excellent reminder that W&B screw-ups get you killed.
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I agree ProATCO with your comment.
But even so, its a lesson for all of the dangers of lifting the nose too early, getting airborne in ground effect on the back side of drag curve.
Disaster!
Much the same happened to an instructor taking a trial lesson at Bournemouth in 1999. 3 on board killed. But just inside W&B.
As with the Biggin fatality last year, the instructor had never flown the type before.
But even so, its a lesson for all of the dangers of lifting the nose too early, getting airborne in ground effect on the back side of drag curve.
Disaster!
Much the same happened to an instructor taking a trial lesson at Bournemouth in 1999. 3 on board killed. But just inside W&B.
As with the Biggin fatality last year, the instructor had never flown the type before.
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ProcATCO, I think you are being a liitle harsh.
As MikeJ says, it's an excellent example of the dangers of overloading/lifting the nose too early.
IMHO it looks to me as if the pilot could have recovered had he lowered the nose and flown in ground effect to build the airspeed, but he persisted in trying to gain height, which was his ultimate downfall.
I'm no expert but that's how I see it.
Personally I think every pilot should see this video!
As MikeJ says, it's an excellent example of the dangers of overloading/lifting the nose too early.
IMHO it looks to me as if the pilot could have recovered had he lowered the nose and flown in ground effect to build the airspeed, but he persisted in trying to gain height, which was his ultimate downfall.
I'm no expert but that's how I see it.
Personally I think every pilot should see this video!
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ProcATCO,
Get off your stupid, politically correct high horse. Of course this video should be seen here.
Hot day, rearward CG, overloaded, barely airborne in ground effect at critical AoA, back of L/D curve, pilot unable to reduce AoA due to resulting loss of lift and unable to climb out of ground effect due to lack of power and excessive drag.
This is something we should all see, say three Haily Marys and swear on our mother's name never to do ourselves.
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Get off your stupid, politically correct high horse. Of course this video should be seen here.
Hot day, rearward CG, overloaded, barely airborne in ground effect at critical AoA, back of L/D curve, pilot unable to reduce AoA due to resulting loss of lift and unable to climb out of ground effect due to lack of power and excessive drag.
This is something we should all see, say three Haily Marys and swear on our mother's name never to do ourselves.
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Not so sure it was overgross at all. If you look closely, there appears only one person (plus, one would assume, the sick/injured child and the oxygen bottle) in the back. For a 182 this, at first blush, doesn't really look like a problem.
The way the t/o is handled (or rather - mishandled) is a different matter altogether. Nose wheel off way too soon, AoA, pretty much everything is wrong here. Seriously f***ed up shortfield t/o, methinks.
We watch and we learn (hopefully) and may these poor chaps RIP.
PS: ProATCO, you probably made a wise career decision - stay on the ground
The way the t/o is handled (or rather - mishandled) is a different matter altogether. Nose wheel off way too soon, AoA, pretty much everything is wrong here. Seriously f***ed up shortfield t/o, methinks.
We watch and we learn (hopefully) and may these poor chaps RIP.
PS: ProATCO, you probably made a wise career decision - stay on the ground
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salutory message - all pilots should watch this
What a tragedy! Those poor people.
Rough strip, very hot, close to MTOW, he nearly made it - I think he would had he been on tarmac with more runway.
IMHO Seeing this kind of thing first hand brings home the unforgiving nature of miscalculation in aviation, hopefully it reminds us to reevaluate the risks we take and helps to reinforce good practice.
Sometimes a horrific event like this can be a wake up call.
RIP
SB
Rough strip, very hot, close to MTOW, he nearly made it - I think he would had he been on tarmac with more runway.
IMHO Seeing this kind of thing first hand brings home the unforgiving nature of miscalculation in aviation, hopefully it reminds us to reevaluate the risks we take and helps to reinforce good practice.
Sometimes a horrific event like this can be a wake up call.
RIP
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Of course we should watch videos like this, and learn from them. A couple of days ago we had a presentation which showed a person having their head chopped off by a helicopters rotorblades. It showed this mans brain laying on the helideck after the incident. It was not particularly nice but the idea of the presentation was safety around helicopters.......and it certainly drummed it home. I for one will be ducking in future 
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Hello fellow flyers,
What a useful training aid! For those, like me, who watch such videos so as to learn to be better pilots, go here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
proACTO, I'd stay away from this one, it would overload your delicate sensibilities for sure!
It is my opinion that this pilot's only failings (though obviously severe) were to choose a soft field takeoff technique on what would appear to be a reasonably firm and suitable takeoff area, to fail to allow the aircraft to accelerate once airborne, and to fail to maintain directional control once airborne. The C182 can be very safely pulled of the ground early, as long as you immediately allow the plane to accelerate once of the ground. Though W&B could be a factor here, the plane would get airborne this way at any weight or C of G. A STOL kit can let you get further into this phase of flight as well.
When you fly this way, the nose is so high that seeing the runway ahead is not possible. Directional control can only be maintained with reference to the runway edge out the side of the windshield. This runway does not appear to me to have a clear edge, so probably he let it drift over, without really noticing.
The often repeated saying "learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" seems to apply here.
Cheers Pilot DAR
What a useful training aid! For those, like me, who watch such videos so as to learn to be better pilots, go here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
proACTO, I'd stay away from this one, it would overload your delicate sensibilities for sure!
It is my opinion that this pilot's only failings (though obviously severe) were to choose a soft field takeoff technique on what would appear to be a reasonably firm and suitable takeoff area, to fail to allow the aircraft to accelerate once airborne, and to fail to maintain directional control once airborne. The C182 can be very safely pulled of the ground early, as long as you immediately allow the plane to accelerate once of the ground. Though W&B could be a factor here, the plane would get airborne this way at any weight or C of G. A STOL kit can let you get further into this phase of flight as well.
When you fly this way, the nose is so high that seeing the runway ahead is not possible. Directional control can only be maintained with reference to the runway edge out the side of the windshield. This runway does not appear to me to have a clear edge, so probably he let it drift over, without really noticing.
The often repeated saying "learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" seems to apply here.
Cheers Pilot DAR
Shortly after liftoff, the a/c drifted off the runway heading at low level. You can see the people on the ground who were taken by surprise and had to suddenly get themselves out of the way
I have taken off from sand in a C-172 with 4 adults aboard and full standard tanks. Once you're rolling at 35-40 kt. you have to ease forward keeping the nosewheel just above the ground to gain flying speed.
Before you do this you designate an abort point on the runway where you chop the power if not airborne -- no problem stopping on sand
I have taken off from sand in a C-172 with 4 adults aboard and full standard tanks. Once you're rolling at 35-40 kt. you have to ease forward keeping the nosewheel just above the ground to gain flying speed.
Before you do this you designate an abort point on the runway where you chop the power if not airborne -- no problem stopping on sand
I'm not a pilot but I've been involved in aviation for nearly thirty years and naturally follow the safety aspect of flying from an engineer's viewpoint. I've been unfortunate enough to witness a flying accident in which five aircrew were killed and the aftermath of several other incidents, both fatal and non-fatal. Very unpleasant, either way. The Alexisparkinn website has some interesting clips but I've avoided every one that has fatal consequences. How would you feel if it was a friend/colleague/family member that was killed and the accident put on display for all to see?
There is plenty of information available on the AAIB/FAA sites if someone is really interested in the cause/prevention of accidents and not seeing the last few moments of a fellow flier's life.
Sorry - I feel strongly about this.
There is plenty of information available on the AAIB/FAA sites if someone is really interested in the cause/prevention of accidents and not seeing the last few moments of a fellow flier's life.
Sorry - I feel strongly about this.
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Steve,
The fact that you are a non-pilot is relevant here.
Most of the Alexis Parkinn fatal clips are not directly relevant to the mass of flying pilots and watching them represents simple voyeurism. This one, however, is relevant to everyone who has ever sat behind the controls of a light aircraft and we are all only ever a whisker or two from an accident of this sort.
This video should be seen by every student and licenced pilot.
QDM
The fact that you are a non-pilot is relevant here.
Most of the Alexis Parkinn fatal clips are not directly relevant to the mass of flying pilots and watching them represents simple voyeurism. This one, however, is relevant to everyone who has ever sat behind the controls of a light aircraft and we are all only ever a whisker or two from an accident of this sort.
This video should be seen by every student and licenced pilot.
QDM
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I disagree
If it prompted debate, and a pilot in a similar situation recalled the video, remembered what to do and it saved his and his passengers lives, then it would've been worth it.
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I politely disagree with QDMQDMQDM: "Most of the Alexis Park Inn fatal clips are not directly relevant to the mass of flying pilots and watching them represents simple voyeurism." (sorry, I don't know how to make the quote function work properly here (inadequate training!))
It is my opinion that most of the accident/incident video clips available for viewing are relevant to all pilots because all of these events would be the result of either poor decision making, or inadequate training. The fact that I do not fly B-52's does not make the video of the guy knife edging it into the ground voyeurism (unless I watch it numerous times I suppose). It is one of the many things that sticks in my mind every time I fly. A very poor decision was made.
I'm properly trained and current, how will I always make a good decision, and do better. How lucky am I that the few really stupid things I've done in a plane were not caught on tape! Were they to have been, for certain, someone would have remembered mine, and made a better decision! (Don't worry, only pride and some aluminum hurt. Aluminum repaired, pride set to a lower level for a long time!)
For those who have watched "No Easy Days" video (US Navy carrier mishaps), you could say that most of us will never attempt a carrier landing, but watching those propeller driven fighters attempt a go-around, and roll on their backs, sticks in my mind when I fly the C185. It's certainly no Corsair, but you can still go off the side of the runway if you're not paying attention when you add power!
I consider my participation in this exchange group a good opportunity to share safety and wisdom. As I reap it, I shall certainly do my best to spread it too!
Cheers, Pilot DAR
It is my opinion that most of the accident/incident video clips available for viewing are relevant to all pilots because all of these events would be the result of either poor decision making, or inadequate training. The fact that I do not fly B-52's does not make the video of the guy knife edging it into the ground voyeurism (unless I watch it numerous times I suppose). It is one of the many things that sticks in my mind every time I fly. A very poor decision was made.
I'm properly trained and current, how will I always make a good decision, and do better. How lucky am I that the few really stupid things I've done in a plane were not caught on tape! Were they to have been, for certain, someone would have remembered mine, and made a better decision! (Don't worry, only pride and some aluminum hurt. Aluminum repaired, pride set to a lower level for a long time!)
For those who have watched "No Easy Days" video (US Navy carrier mishaps), you could say that most of us will never attempt a carrier landing, but watching those propeller driven fighters attempt a go-around, and roll on their backs, sticks in my mind when I fly the C185. It's certainly no Corsair, but you can still go off the side of the runway if you're not paying attention when you add power!
I consider my participation in this exchange group a good opportunity to share safety and wisdom. As I reap it, I shall certainly do my best to spread it too!
Cheers, Pilot DAR