The Curse .....to G.A.
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From: willesden
The Curse .....to G.A.
I know of one individual who bought a Robin .. thinking he could keep it outside ….
I know of one individual within 200 hours having 3 engines (single engined Piper)
Another just paid £8000 for a star annual (C 150)
Anyone else kicked a Gypsy?
I know of one individual within 200 hours having 3 engines (single engined Piper)
Another just paid £8000 for a star annual (C 150)
Anyone else kicked a Gypsy?
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I stubbed my toe on a Gypsy Major that was lying on the floor of a museum.
Do tell, what happened to the Robin?
What was the nature of the Piper's engine problems.
Why oh why did it cost so much for the Cessna inspection?
Do tell, what happened to the Robin?
What was the nature of the Piper's engine problems.
Why oh why did it cost so much for the Cessna inspection?
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From: willesden
The Robin now lives in a hangar, very expensive and far away ..the engine suffered a miriad of problems .. no doubt the owner will contribute soon ... the 150 just an expensive annual all the others were about 2.5k but new mags, prop overhaul and 4 cylinders still made it expensive
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£8000 for a C150 Annual is not out of line, if the aircraft is used either for PPL training, or is within a large syndicate of > 20 members and thus needs to be on a Transport CofA.
This just shows the false economy of operating old wreckage.
This just shows the false economy of operating old wreckage.
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This just shows the false economy of operating old wreckage.
Four new cylinders £1600, fixed pitch prop "tuned" £800, exchange mags £800. In all £3200 for bits.
Still makes it expensive!
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From: willesden
With boats, planes and women .. its cheaper to rent. The 150 in question is operated by one person and flown by 4. Apparently EASA is going to make flying more expensive along with more expensive fuel and fewer fields .. anyone for Tennis..
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From: LONDON
Flying Costs
Flying only cost so much because we all just go to the man on the airfield where we are based , and they all take us for a ride when it comes to getting the bill ready.
If you take your plane to another airfield away from your base when something goes wrong the local man won't even look at you.
It all a closed shop , if it ever gets to the point when airfields close down the last people i will feel sorry for are the engineers .
8,000 FOR A 150 annual did he gold plate it for you?
If you take your plane to another airfield away from your base when something goes wrong the local man won't even look at you.
It all a closed shop , if it ever gets to the point when airfields close down the last people i will feel sorry for are the engineers .
8,000 FOR A 150 annual did he gold plate it for you?
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Flyingalpine
I have seen a lot of utter rubbish on this forum but your post about engineers is by far the biggest load of utter bull that I have ever seen.
I have yet to see a rich engineer in the GA business largely because cheap skates like you won't pay more that £40/hour for labour and put off prevenative maintenance because of cost and then squeel like stuck piggs when the aircraft gets to such a state that all the work has to be done at once.
Most people selling aircraft do so when they can no longer afford to keep it, this sneeks up on them and as a result they have not spent enough on the aircraft upkeep and the next owner buys the last three years worth of problems that have been stored up.
IO540 is correct about old aircraft, they cost a lot of money to put right, in my opinion to put an aircraft back into tip-top condition (new engine,paint,radios and the like) it will cost about 1.5x the perchase price.
As for the closed shop that is totaly untrue if you have a problem away from base most engineering companys would try to help if they can but you can't expect them to to drop the urgent work on a regular customers aircraft for someone who has just walked in the door.
rant over !!
I have yet to see a rich engineer in the GA business largely because cheap skates like you won't pay more that £40/hour for labour and put off prevenative maintenance because of cost and then squeel like stuck piggs when the aircraft gets to such a state that all the work has to be done at once.
Most people selling aircraft do so when they can no longer afford to keep it, this sneeks up on them and as a result they have not spent enough on the aircraft upkeep and the next owner buys the last three years worth of problems that have been stored up.
IO540 is correct about old aircraft, they cost a lot of money to put right, in my opinion to put an aircraft back into tip-top condition (new engine,paint,radios and the like) it will cost about 1.5x the perchase price.
As for the closed shop that is totaly untrue if you have a problem away from base most engineering companys would try to help if they can but you can't expect them to to drop the urgent work on a regular customers aircraft for someone who has just walked in the door.
rant over !!
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From: Minnesota
An A&P mechanic’s making ‘only’ 40 pounds an hour…..in the GA market in the States he’d be lucky to make that many dollars.
How come you poor blighters are still paying so much for parts made in the U.S.?
The exchange rate is now almost 2 dollars for 1 pound, but it seems to me that the price is still the same number, except in England its pounds, whereas in the U.S. its Dollars, same at was when the rate was 1:1.60
There is something seriously wrong going on in England.
How come you poor blighters are still paying so much for parts made in the U.S.?
The exchange rate is now almost 2 dollars for 1 pound, but it seems to me that the price is still the same number, except in England its pounds, whereas in the U.S. its Dollars, same at was when the rate was 1:1.60
There is something seriously wrong going on in England.
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From: north of barlu
Lets start with 17.5% VAT on the total cost of the parts including the cost of transport and the mandatory 8130-3.
The A & P won't get £40/hour that is the rate that the shop will charge and the A & P is likely to be making about £14-18/hour.
The $ rate has started to help but the real problem is the local and national goverment taxes, fuel has a tax called "duty" and then on top of the fuel cost+duty they put 17.5 % VAT so 100LL costs about $8/USG.
The cost of living numbers are about the same......... it's just the $ is worth half as much!
EASA is making it mandatory for all aircraft maintenance to be done by "approved" companys so the day of the indipendent A & P are numbered.
(American English used for the benifit of White bear)
The A & P won't get £40/hour that is the rate that the shop will charge and the A & P is likely to be making about £14-18/hour.
The $ rate has started to help but the real problem is the local and national goverment taxes, fuel has a tax called "duty" and then on top of the fuel cost+duty they put 17.5 % VAT so 100LL costs about $8/USG.
The cost of living numbers are about the same......... it's just the $ is worth half as much!
EASA is making it mandatory for all aircraft maintenance to be done by "approved" companys so the day of the indipendent A & P are numbered.
(American English used for the benifit of White bear)
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From: Minnesota
Humm, quite a problem A and C.
Have you thought about this?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255429
By the way “indipendent” is not very good American English.
Regards,
White Bear.
Have you thought about this?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255429
By the way “indipendent” is not very good American English.
Regards,
White Bear.
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From: willesden
Humm, quite a problem A and C.
Have you thought about this?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255429
By the way “indipendent” is not very good American English.
Regards,
White Bear.
Have you thought about this?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255429
By the way “indipendent” is not very good American English.
Regards,
White Bear.
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The Robin now lives in a hangar, very expensive and far away ..the engine suffered a miriad of problems .. no doubt the owner will contribute soon ... the 150 just an expensive annual all the others were about 2.5k but new mags, prop overhaul and 4 cylinders still made it expensive
1st. o/h @ 2740h
75h later a cam fail as well as 2 cyl. (valves & rings) and 2 lifters
Engine re-o/h
91h later, while flying, a tooth broke of the gear that connects the crankshaft to the camshaft and the left mag.
On top I had to do the car's head gasket, had 5 car accidents and the conservatory that was started in July is still not finished because they had to build the walls 5 times, the glass panels twice, rain leaked and all had to be dried, the floor is too high and not level, ordered hard wood and got chip wood and now they have to re-plaster part of it because...it is not level.
Other then this life is great
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From: north of barlu
AC-DC
The first thing I have to ask is who did the overhaul ?
The second question is how much did you pay for the first overhaul?
Now I might guess the answer to question one is a metal that is liquid at room temp.
And the answer to question two is about £6000+VAT
Do I win the prize ?
The second question is how much did you pay for the first overhaul?
Now I might guess the answer to question one is a metal that is liquid at room temp.
And the answer to question two is about £6000+VAT
Do I win the prize ?