PA28 rescued by Edinburgh ATC

[rustle]

Originally Posted by IO540

There is no such thing [as press-on-it-is]. Every flight; indeed everything we do in our lives, is done under pressure of some kind.

We talked about this HERE recently, and you admitted (a few posts after mine) that you were being pedantic.

What's happened to change that opinion?

PS: When you or FA quote people can you please use the quote tool so we know who you're quoting? (like what I did above) TIA

[Ridgerunner]

He needs to learn to get the weather? I only had to listen to my window banging all night in my third story flat to realise it would be stupid to attempt a GA flight. Look out the window! Step outside and get blown off your feet, is that not enought weather information?

[Kaptain Kremen]

Originally Posted by IO540

I meant the instructor who trained him. This pilot, it would appear, didn't know how to get weather and understand it. That itself is of no suprise to me; when I got my PPL I knew next to nothing.

How do we know to blame the instructor? Surely the examiner who tested him at PPL and at IMC would have needed to see his wx planning? His test would have had to have been done by someone other than his instructor. I find it unlikely that the pilot can blame not being taught wx prep as an excuse; not impossible, but unlikely.

[wbryce]

Well its a bit like holding a driver instructor accountable for the actions of one of his past students...instructors teach students to fly, examiners asses their ability...if they pass then surely the instructors done his job to an acceptable standard?

Maybe complacency was a key factor in this one?

[AGES]

It was not complacency W, but scared that they would be caught, the decisision making process was nothing to do with flying weather, instructers lack of training or any other smoke screen. This was about we better get home before we get caught by the husband and that is what is criminal about the events, even PPL's should be able demonstrate a level of professionalism towards safety even when the thing in there pants is taking over. The forecast for the complete weekend was, as I am sure you will agree extremly marginal and you have to question this decision to fly to Scotland from the outset, given also the certainty of the seriousness of the weather forecast

Not a bad choice but one made for no consideration to anything to do with flying and it is for this reason that the CAA should be investigating these events without sympathy.

[moggiee]

Originally Posted by AGES

I hear that the other husband is not very happy

Care to enlighten us as to why you think you know so much about the pilot's private life and why you feel it appropriate to comment upon it in the first place?

I do feel humbled by the presence of so many perfect pilots who have never made a mistake in their flying "lives" - I wish I was perfect too!

[Flyin'Dutch']

Originally Posted by moggiee

Care to enlighten us as to why you think you know so much about the pilot's private life and why you feel it appropriate to comment upon it in the first place?
I do feel humbled by the presence of so many perfect pilots who have never made a mistake in their flying "lives" - I wish I was perfect too!

I can not answer for AGES but from the postings it would seem he/she was pretty close to the point of departure of this flight.

On the point of being perfect I'd say few people are, but most pilots would have be able to spot this one coming.

METAR EGPD 030850Z 17024KT 7000 RA FEW012 09/07 Q0967 RERA TEMPO BKN014

METAR EGPD 030920Z 19017G27KT 9999 FEW028 SCT036 09/05 Q0967 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 030950Z 19018G30KT 9999 R16/0800 -RA SCT025 SCT035 08/05 Q0967 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031020Z 20018G30KT 9999 R16/0800 FEW020 BKN028 08/05 Q0968 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031050Z 19017KT 9999 R16/0800 FEW025 07/04 Q0967 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031120Z 20016G28KT 9999 R16/0200 SCT030 08/04 Q0967 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031150Z 20017G28KT 9999 FEW028 08/03 Q0967 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031220Z 19017KT 9999 FEW028 07/02 Q0966 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031250Z 19020KT 9999 FEW032 07/02 Q0965 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031320Z 18024G38KT 9999 -DZ BKN035 08/04 Q0965 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031350Z 18020G30KT 9000 -RA SCT018 BKN023 07/05 Q0964 TEMPO BKN012

METAR EGPD 031420Z 19022G32KT 9999 SCT014 07/04 Q0963 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031450Z 18022G33KT 9999 SCT015 SCT028 07/04 Q0963 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031520Z 18017KT 9999 SCT016 BKN023 07/05 Q0963 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031550Z 18018G28KT 9999 FEW023 SCT043 07/05 Q0962 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031620Z 18017KT 9999 -DZ FEW018 SCT024 07/05 Q0962 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031650Z 19013KT 9999 FEW028 07/05 Q0962 NOSIG

METAR EGPD 031720Z 19010KT 9999 FEW017 SCT030 07/05 Q0961 NOSIG

[Captain Smithy]

Apologies for thread-jacking, but...

...I saw this thread and it was interesting to read. Good to hear everyone was OK - well done to EDI ATC.

On this subject, I saw on Saturday afternoon what looked like a King Air performing tight turns (looked like 45 Degrees) at very low altitude (looked below 1000' to me) over Edinburgh, near the Blackford Hills... can anyone cast any light on this?

Cheers

Smithy from EDI

[TheFox]

It was the flight calibrator

[Captain Smithy]

I see... I was more than a little curious as to what it was. Thanks for the info.

Smithy

[slink]

The aircraft had departed from a site not more than 20 miles north of Edinburgh. Regardless of SIGMET availability etc, that day's Form 215 clearly stated that there was Severe Turbulence throughout the Scottish FIR below 6000 feet, not to mention the other weather that was around (our TAF was giving gusts of 55 kts, from memory). I have no idea about his motives, pressonitis or otherwise, but am aware that it created a fair amount of additional workload for EDI ATC, plus the emergency services etc who were called out to attend the possible incident. We were all just thankful that it ended the way it did, with the aircraft and occupants safely on the ground, albeit rather shaken up!