Now landing fees for everyone at Barton
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For those of you who are a bit worried about fees and LAC there is a nice little strip at Ince. Good guys and long enough grass runways as long as you can land in the county you aim at!
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Future of Barton
I Have been flying from Barton for about 10yrs and have got to know quite a few people in that time
so here are a few pointers for people to look at
1. LAC are in financial trouble due to the committee's decision on the Airfield utilisation fee i.e. what they worked out would save them money hasn't
2. LAC as a club will no longer be at Barton
3. LAC Flying School will certainly be staying under the command of M R
4. LAC Maintanance will most likely be staying too
5. Barton as an airfield will stay and if info is correct will be expanded with the likes of a Tarmac runway, better hangers and facilities
6. The old club feel has long since gone and if Peel continue the landing contract next year then I and many other members of LAC will pay that instead of a LAC Membership
so here are a few pointers for people to look at
1. LAC are in financial trouble due to the committee's decision on the Airfield utilisation fee i.e. what they worked out would save them money hasn't
2. LAC as a club will no longer be at Barton
3. LAC Flying School will certainly be staying under the command of M R
4. LAC Maintanance will most likely be staying too
5. Barton as an airfield will stay and if info is correct will be expanded with the likes of a Tarmac runway, better hangers and facilities
6. The old club feel has long since gone and if Peel continue the landing contract next year then I and many other members of LAC will pay that instead of a LAC Membership
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Hello fellow fliers;
To Quote EGCC4284,
"It cost £55 and gives me free landings and free car parking at Barton until the end of March 2007."
Sounds like a great deal to me! Support those who enable your flights, with the funds that they need to run the airport.
I've never been to Barton, but I presume that those of you commenting on the costs to use the facilities, have found at least some favour with the airport, and what it offers.
As an alternative.... (and please don't mistake this for my being sarcastic, just another way of seeing things), do as I did in 1988: Buy 100 acres of suitable land (twice the cost of a C172), buy the chainsaw (much less than the cost of a C172), and spend weeks to clear the land, rent a bulldozer and buy a back hoe (half the cost of a C172), and spend weeks to pick rocks and dig ditches, buy the drain pipes and bury them, level the ground and plant grass seed, trench in runway light wires, and buy and hook them all up. Build the driveway, tiedowns and hangar.
Once it's all operational, buy the grass cutter and snow blower, maintain and fuel them, and spend 2 hours a week using which ever one the season calls for.
Spend all day helping each of the two (so far) pilots who crash their planes on your runway, pick up the pieces, all the while thanking your stars that nobody was hurt, and you're not getting sued. Oh, and they did not offer to pay a landing fee...
Or, as an alternative, pay less than the cost of an hour's flying a few times a year, to enjoy the results of someone else doing all of that work? Sounds like a deal to me!
I cannot think of any airport (Toronto International excepted - it's not a landing fee, it's an expensive deterrent to GA) at which I have landed and parked, where the cost for that privilage, was more than the cost to land and park my car there. I would not have thought the parking charge was unreasonable....
Have a heart, nobody ever got rich owning the land and running an airport. For those who break even, because they ask for some payment, they're just better businessmen than the rest of us! Who can fault that!
If my plane lived for £55, and I had nothing else to worry about, I'd think that was a great deal! Support your local airport anyway you can, lest they all become housing developments!
My encouraging thought for the evening..
Pilot DAR
To Quote EGCC4284,
"It cost £55 and gives me free landings and free car parking at Barton until the end of March 2007."
Sounds like a great deal to me! Support those who enable your flights, with the funds that they need to run the airport.
I've never been to Barton, but I presume that those of you commenting on the costs to use the facilities, have found at least some favour with the airport, and what it offers.
As an alternative.... (and please don't mistake this for my being sarcastic, just another way of seeing things), do as I did in 1988: Buy 100 acres of suitable land (twice the cost of a C172), buy the chainsaw (much less than the cost of a C172), and spend weeks to clear the land, rent a bulldozer and buy a back hoe (half the cost of a C172), and spend weeks to pick rocks and dig ditches, buy the drain pipes and bury them, level the ground and plant grass seed, trench in runway light wires, and buy and hook them all up. Build the driveway, tiedowns and hangar.
Once it's all operational, buy the grass cutter and snow blower, maintain and fuel them, and spend 2 hours a week using which ever one the season calls for.
Spend all day helping each of the two (so far) pilots who crash their planes on your runway, pick up the pieces, all the while thanking your stars that nobody was hurt, and you're not getting sued. Oh, and they did not offer to pay a landing fee...
Or, as an alternative, pay less than the cost of an hour's flying a few times a year, to enjoy the results of someone else doing all of that work? Sounds like a deal to me!
I cannot think of any airport (Toronto International excepted - it's not a landing fee, it's an expensive deterrent to GA) at which I have landed and parked, where the cost for that privilage, was more than the cost to land and park my car there. I would not have thought the parking charge was unreasonable....
Have a heart, nobody ever got rich owning the land and running an airport. For those who break even, because they ask for some payment, they're just better businessmen than the rest of us! Who can fault that!
If my plane lived for £55, and I had nothing else to worry about, I'd think that was a great deal! Support your local airport anyway you can, lest they all become housing developments!
My encouraging thought for the evening..
Pilot DAR
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A very good post - the comparison to the car parking charge at major airports is an excellent point (although not applicable to Barton).
However, alas, the £55 charge is a little misleading as it is only appliccable to members of Lancs Aero Club.
So, a bit of maths:
The £55 charge only applies to 4 months which equates to £165 for the year.
165 + 250 (annual membership) + 50 joining fee = £465 for free landings for the year. Not a massive 'rip off', but not worth signing up for if not already a member.
I think it's a more of a sweetener to current members who are a little peeved with the Club.
But overall, I do agree with your point. Landing fees are understandable and are needed to fund airfields (even if Barton is expensive).
A very good post - the comparison to the car parking charge at major airports is an excellent point (although not applicable to Barton).
However, alas, the £55 charge is a little misleading as it is only appliccable to members of Lancs Aero Club.
So, a bit of maths:
The £55 charge only applies to 4 months which equates to £165 for the year.
165 + 250 (annual membership) + 50 joining fee = £465 for free landings for the year. Not a massive 'rip off', but not worth signing up for if not already a member.
I think it's a more of a sweetener to current members who are a little peeved with the Club.
But overall, I do agree with your point. Landing fees are understandable and are needed to fund airfields (even if Barton is expensive).
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The £55 is only for Members until March as a way to allow those affected by LAC's decision to remove the parking and landings allowance from the membership set up by BAOL
after that a similiar deal will be put in place which will allow ALL pilots regardless of being a member of LAC or not to have the Landings and Parking
ps M R is probably the only original flying instructor left (loves the chippy)
after that a similiar deal will be put in place which will allow ALL pilots regardless of being a member of LAC or not to have the Landings and Parking
ps M R is probably the only original flying instructor left (loves the chippy)
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Clubhouse Prices
Benefits ? Good question.
THE most expensive flying club in the country and with the most expensive fuel.
Don't get me wrong, I fly from Barton and thoroughly enjoy the athmosphere but you can only push it so far. The prices in the clubhouse seem to go up on a regular basis.
THE most expensive flying club in the country and with the most expensive fuel.
Don't get me wrong, I fly from Barton and thoroughly enjoy the athmosphere but you can only push it so far. The prices in the clubhouse seem to go up on a regular basis.
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LAC is still in considerable funds!
With the cost of postage to the circa 600 members costing less than £200 even if sent first class,(considerably less for 2nd) it is an absolute disgrace that the membership were not afforded the courtesy of a direct communication regarding the IMPORTANT situation re: landing fees etc.etc.
The info was instead disseminated via Rumour in turn spread spread on public fora and a note placed in the clubhouse at Barton!
It would have cost nothing (other than a little time and effort) to advise the membership directly via e-mail. After all, LAC are in possesion of the e-mail addresses of all members who possess such.
Bad show LAC.
With the cost of postage to the circa 600 members costing less than £200 even if sent first class,(considerably less for 2nd) it is an absolute disgrace that the membership were not afforded the courtesy of a direct communication regarding the IMPORTANT situation re: landing fees etc.etc.
The info was instead disseminated via Rumour in turn spread spread on public fora and a note placed in the clubhouse at Barton!
It would have cost nothing (other than a little time and effort) to advise the membership directly via e-mail. After all, LAC are in possesion of the e-mail addresses of all members who possess such.
Bad show LAC.
