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UKFT Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Hi
Has anyone here had any experience with uk flight training(www.ukft.com)? They have schools in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and in Long Beach, CA.
They offer a JAR Compliant PPL and a full JAA PPL.
Whats the difference?
Any comments would be welcome!
Regards
Ian
Has anyone here had any experience with uk flight training(www.ukft.com)? They have schools in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and in Long Beach, CA.
They offer a JAR Compliant PPL and a full JAA PPL.
Whats the difference?
Any comments would be welcome!
Regards
Ian
Probably worth doing a search on this, Ian - the subject has been done to death over and over again. The 'JAR-compliant licence' is little more than a cheap marketing scam, a licence from any of the 183 ICAO member states is equally 'compliant' and can probably be had far more cheaply than UKFT offer.
As for the 'full JAA PPL', if UKFT are offering this then they are lying to you - the only school on the west coast currently approved to train for a JAA PPL is Anglo-American in San Diego. You have to ask yourself if it's wise to trust an organisation that indulges in such blatantly false advertising.
As for the 'full JAA PPL', if UKFT are offering this then they are lying to you - the only school on the west coast currently approved to train for a JAA PPL is Anglo-American in San Diego. You have to ask yourself if it's wise to trust an organisation that indulges in such blatantly false advertising.
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I am currently training at UKFT, California and after being here more than 2 weeks I am still unsure what I can do with this JAA "compliant" license.
Coming to the US is a wise choice in regards to number of hours you get. I am doing a completion and have done more hours in 2 weeks that I have done in over a year of my PPL in U.K.
If coming to the US to train, think wisely on where you are going and make sure your getting the right license for you.
Coming to the US is a wise choice in regards to number of hours you get. I am doing a completion and have done more hours in 2 weeks that I have done in over a year of my PPL in U.K.
If coming to the US to train, think wisely on where you are going and make sure your getting the right license for you.
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"JAA" compliant is misleading terminology.
If you go to UKFT you will get an FAA PPL, not a JAA PPL. The rules for converting it to a JAA PPL are contained in JAR-FCL1
(Subpart F covers the requirement for a Type or Class Rating)
So:- You get your "JAA Compliant" license (in reality an ICAO compliant FAA PPL). To convert that to a JAA PPL you need to have more than 100 hours as Pilot, a valid JAA Class 2 Medical (your FAA medical won't count), Pass 2 Written Exams, and the PPL Skills Test, and have a current JAA Class or Type Rating. Not terifically JAA compliant is it?
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If you go to UKFT you will get an FAA PPL, not a JAA PPL. The rules for converting it to a JAA PPL are contained in JAR-FCL1
Appendix 2 to JAR-FCL 1.015
Conversion of a PPL issued by a non-JAA Member State to a JAR-FCL PPL
(See JAR-FCL 1.015(c)(2))
The minimum requirements for the conversion of a private pilot licence issued by a non-JAA Member State to a JAR-FCL licence are:
(a) the applicant shall hold a licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1
(b) the applicant shall hold at least a JAR-FCL Class 2 medical certificate
(c) to hold R/T privileges acceptable to the Authority
(d) the applicant shall comply with the flying experience requirements set out in the table below
National licence held
Experience requirement ›100 hours as pilot of aeroplanes
Any further JAR-FCL requirements
Current and valid national ICAO PPL
(a) Pass a written examination in Air Law and Human Performance and Limitations
(b) Pass the PPL skill test as set out in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.130 and 1.135 and Appendix 2 to JAR-FCL 1.135
(c) Fulfil the relevant requirements of Subpart F
Conversion of a PPL issued by a non-JAA Member State to a JAR-FCL PPL
(See JAR-FCL 1.015(c)(2))
The minimum requirements for the conversion of a private pilot licence issued by a non-JAA Member State to a JAR-FCL licence are:
(a) the applicant shall hold a licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1
(b) the applicant shall hold at least a JAR-FCL Class 2 medical certificate
(c) to hold R/T privileges acceptable to the Authority
(d) the applicant shall comply with the flying experience requirements set out in the table below
National licence held
Experience requirement ›100 hours as pilot of aeroplanes
Any further JAR-FCL requirements
Current and valid national ICAO PPL
(a) Pass a written examination in Air Law and Human Performance and Limitations
(b) Pass the PPL skill test as set out in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.130 and 1.135 and Appendix 2 to JAR-FCL 1.135
(c) Fulfil the relevant requirements of Subpart F
So:- You get your "JAA Compliant" license (in reality an ICAO compliant FAA PPL). To convert that to a JAA PPL you need to have more than 100 hours as Pilot, a valid JAA Class 2 Medical (your FAA medical won't count), Pass 2 Written Exams, and the PPL Skills Test, and have a current JAA Class or Type Rating. Not terifically JAA compliant is it?
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Why would you need convert an FAA PPL to a JAA PPL?
(Unless you want add ratings, or want to go on to obtain a JAA CPL.)
Having to passing a couple of exams and a skill test isn't too onerous. Air Law makes good sense because of different rules, and most schools/clubs would require the equivalent of a skills test before letting you SFH, but the >100 hours requirement is bizarre.
Someone who's never flown in their life can get a JAA PPL in 40 hrs (or whatever the minimum requirement is now) but a qualified pilot who already holds an FAA PPL has to have more than 100 hours total before he/she is eligible to convert it to a JAA licence.
No big deal building up to 100 hrs but, in principle, it seems outrageous.
Why would you need convert an FAA PPL to a JAA PPL?
(Unless you want add ratings, or want to go on to obtain a JAA CPL.)
Having to passing a couple of exams and a skill test isn't too onerous. Air Law makes good sense because of different rules, and most schools/clubs would require the equivalent of a skills test before letting you SFH, but the >100 hours requirement is bizarre.
Someone who's never flown in their life can get a JAA PPL in 40 hrs (or whatever the minimum requirement is now) but a qualified pilot who already holds an FAA PPL has to have more than 100 hours total before he/she is eligible to convert it to a JAA licence.
No big deal building up to 100 hrs but, in principle, it seems outrageous.
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Why would you need convert an FAA PPL to a JAA PPL?
You can for example with a non-JAA ICAO License (e.g. an FAA one) fly a G reg aircraft in UK AIRSPACE. But you could not fly it in the airspace of another JAA member state. Nor can you fly it within the UK within CAS where compliance with IFR is required, nor can you fly it to give instruction in flying.
Details here.
If you want to fly a G-Reg somewhere other than the UK you need a JAA license.
The original question was regarding the difference between a JAA license and a "JAA Compliant" license. The simple fact is that an ICAO license and a JAA license give you different privileges when operating an aircraft whose State of registration is different to the State of license issue.
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Well, you wouldn't if you didn't want to fly a non-US registered aircraft.
You can for example with a non-JAA ICAO License (e.g. an FAA one) fly a G reg aircraft in UK AIRSPACE. But you could not fly it in the airspace of another JAA member state. Nor can you fly it within the UK within CAS where compliance with IFR is required, nor can you fly it to give instruction in flying.
You can for example with a non-JAA ICAO License (e.g. an FAA one) fly a G reg aircraft in UK AIRSPACE. But you could not fly it in the airspace of another JAA member state. Nor can you fly it within the UK within CAS where compliance with IFR is required, nor can you fly it to give instruction in flying.
I've got in confirmed in writing from the DGAC (French) and the Germans that I can fly a G reg using an FAA certificate in their airspace.
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P'raps, but that happens as a result of a concession made by the State concerned, not as of right as a privilege of your license.
To give you an example, you cannot, as of right, exercise the privileges of a JAA license in an N Reg in the USA. You have to jump through the hoops of getting an FAA Pilot Certificate issued on the back of your JAA license. ICAO requires contracting States to "render valid" the licenses of other ICAO States, how they do that is a matter for the individual State concerned. You would need to check the national law of each State (as you have done) to ascertain what they will or will not allow. (The CAA document I linked to above shows for example that I can't do a BFR in my own (G Reg) aircraft with an FAA CFI, even if he's not being paid for it.)
Mike
To give you an example, you cannot, as of right, exercise the privileges of a JAA license in an N Reg in the USA. You have to jump through the hoops of getting an FAA Pilot Certificate issued on the back of your JAA license. ICAO requires contracting States to "render valid" the licenses of other ICAO States, how they do that is a matter for the individual State concerned. You would need to check the national law of each State (as you have done) to ascertain what they will or will not allow. (The CAA document I linked to above shows for example that I can't do a BFR in my own (G Reg) aircraft with an FAA CFI, even if he's not being paid for it.)
Mike
