PPL(A) 2yr renewal and TMG rating
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It seems very wrong that I can satisfy the examiner that I can fly a TMG and SEP yet 'the book says no!'
If the types are so different why even allow SEP and TMG holders to revalidate on either... not that I want this practise to stop!
My SEP was valid when I underwent a TMG rating skill test with an authorised examiner.
The only issue seems to be;
If I had previously proved abilty to fly a TMG I could have renewed my SEP.
But as I was just proving to be able to fly a TMG on this flight I cannot use it to revalidate a SEP!
Am I alone in thinking this is at best a bit dumb?
I assume the CAA will add my TMG rating to my PPL - but if they persist in not recognising my revalidation for SEP (as directed by them) my PPL would then be invalid....
Had I not followed their advise I would have done 2 hours repeating the previous test and therefore revalidating my SEP!
If I am now told I have to RENEW my PPL I will really throw my teddy!
If the types are so different why even allow SEP and TMG holders to revalidate on either... not that I want this practise to stop!
My SEP was valid when I underwent a TMG rating skill test with an authorised examiner.
The only issue seems to be;
If I had previously proved abilty to fly a TMG I could have renewed my SEP.
But as I was just proving to be able to fly a TMG on this flight I cannot use it to revalidate a SEP!
Am I alone in thinking this is at best a bit dumb?
I assume the CAA will add my TMG rating to my PPL - but if they persist in not recognising my revalidation for SEP (as directed by them) my PPL would then be invalid....
Had I not followed their advise I would have done 2 hours repeating the previous test and therefore revalidating my SEP!
If I am now told I have to RENEW my PPL I will really throw my teddy!
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Dope,
When you did your TMG rating was your SEP current? and is it still current? If it is, then surely you could go and ask the TMG examiner to sign up the SEP revalidation for you? ... Opps! No of course you can't as you didn't have a valid TMG at the time (it wasn't issued to you then) If it was a biennial (biannual?) renewal / revalidation with both ratings valid and current then he/she could have signed both ... couldn't they? Actually if the one on type was out of currency but the other in then the examiner doing the revalidation could sign the other at the same time if that rating was still in currency ... I think.
As you know, I have just validated my old CAA PPL SLMG rating and can now send off for the TMG to be added due to Grandfather rights (makes me sound ancient
) However, I can't afford the £76 just yet so I'll have to count the hours seperately. The other bugger is that my SEP runs out around next April and the TMG (which I'll probably send for next month) will fall in the intevening year ... it's going to be hell remembering to keep them both signed up correctly! Mind you it's a small price to pay when I can enjoy a lovely flight like this evening. Just back from a half hour bimble over Chichester marina, around Selsey Bill and back for a nice first go at a crosswind landing in the old Slingsby. About 5-8 knots at 90 degrees, easy to keep a wing down, and a timely pull of airbrakes ensures that once the wheels touch that she is down! Who needs speed when you can have sooooo much fun at 55 knots 
SS
PS Hope to make the rally Saturday and stop over to fly back Sunday ... fingers crossed.
When you did your TMG rating was your SEP current? and is it still current? If it is, then surely you could go and ask the TMG examiner to sign up the SEP revalidation for you? ... Opps! No of course you can't as you didn't have a valid TMG at the time (it wasn't issued to you then) If it was a biennial (biannual?) renewal / revalidation with both ratings valid and current then he/she could have signed both ... couldn't they? Actually if the one on type was out of currency but the other in then the examiner doing the revalidation could sign the other at the same time if that rating was still in currency ... I think.
As you know, I have just validated my old CAA PPL SLMG rating and can now send off for the TMG to be added due to Grandfather rights (makes me sound ancient
) However, I can't afford the £76 just yet so I'll have to count the hours seperately. The other bugger is that my SEP runs out around next April and the TMG (which I'll probably send for next month) will fall in the intevening year ... it's going to be hell remembering to keep them both signed up correctly! Mind you it's a small price to pay when I can enjoy a lovely flight like this evening. Just back from a half hour bimble over Chichester marina, around Selsey Bill and back for a nice first go at a crosswind landing in the old Slingsby. About 5-8 knots at 90 degrees, easy to keep a wing down, and a timely pull of airbrakes ensures that once the wheels touch that she is down! Who needs speed when you can have sooooo much fun at 55 knots SS
PS Hope to make the rally Saturday and stop over to fly back Sunday ... fingers crossed.
Let me try to explain things further....
It seems very wrong that I can satisfy the examiner that I can fly a TMG and SEP yet 'the book says no!'
You cannot do this in a single flight in a single Class of aeroplane.
If the types are so different why even allow SEP and TMG holders to revalidate on either... not that I want this practise to stop!
They are not 'types', they are 'classes'. There is a very big difference!
My SEP was valid when I underwent a TMG rating skill test with an authorised examiner.
The only issue seems to be;
If I had previously proved abilty to fly a TMG I could have renewed my SEP.
No. Even if you already held a TMG Class Rating, you can only renew a SEP Class Rating by passing a SEP Class Rating LST in a SEP aeroplane with a SEP Examiner.
But as I was just proving to be able to fly a TMG on this flight I cannot use it to revalidate a SEP!
No. You were demonstrating the required skill to fly a TMG class of aeroplane as PIC with passengers. That is more than 'just proving able to fly'... But the TMG Skill Test is acceptable as part of the '12&1' SEP Class Rating revalidation option, although you also need the associated 12 hour flight time (incl. 6 as PIC and 12 t/os and ldgs).
Am I alone in thinking this is at best a bit dumb?
I am beginning to think that you would be well advised to avoid the use of the word 'dumb'...
I assume the CAA will add my TMG rating to my PPL - but if they persist in not recognising my revalidation for SEP (as directed by them) my PPL would then be invalid....
No. There is no reason why the CAA should not add your TMG Rating to your PPL(A). If your SEP Class Rating has not been properly revalidated, your PPL(A) with TMG Class Rating will be valid but your SEP Class Rating will need to be renewed if you wish to fly a SEP Class aeroplane as PIC. The CAA would never 'direct' you with regard to your SEP Class rating; they may offer suggestions to your advantage but, not unreasonably, they do assume that you have some understanding of the regulations.
Had I not followed their advise I would have done 2 hours repeating the previous test and therefore revalidating my SEP!
I assume that you mean that you would have chosen to revalidate your SEP Class Rating by flying a revalidation LPC in a SEP Class aeroplane? 2 hours plus the Examiner's fee seems a somewhat expensive option.
If I am now told I have to RENEW my PPL I will really throw my teddy!
There is no logical reason why you should need to have your PPL(A) re-issued unless it is a JAR-FCL PPL(A) approaching the 5-year re-issue point. All JAR-FCL licences must be re-issued 5 years after initial issue (to do so requires a current and valid Class or Type Rating plus a current and valid JAA medical certificate plus a fee); however, if you have a pre-JAR-FCL PPL(A) then it is a lifetime licence which nver needs to be re-issued, although the validity of the Type or Class Ratings contained in the licence must be valid if you wish to fly as PIC.
It seems very wrong that I can satisfy the examiner that I can fly a TMG and SEP yet 'the book says no!'
You cannot do this in a single flight in a single Class of aeroplane.
If the types are so different why even allow SEP and TMG holders to revalidate on either... not that I want this practise to stop!
They are not 'types', they are 'classes'. There is a very big difference!
My SEP was valid when I underwent a TMG rating skill test with an authorised examiner.
The only issue seems to be;
If I had previously proved abilty to fly a TMG I could have renewed my SEP.
No. Even if you already held a TMG Class Rating, you can only renew a SEP Class Rating by passing a SEP Class Rating LST in a SEP aeroplane with a SEP Examiner.
But as I was just proving to be able to fly a TMG on this flight I cannot use it to revalidate a SEP!
No. You were demonstrating the required skill to fly a TMG class of aeroplane as PIC with passengers. That is more than 'just proving able to fly'... But the TMG Skill Test is acceptable as part of the '12&1' SEP Class Rating revalidation option, although you also need the associated 12 hour flight time (incl. 6 as PIC and 12 t/os and ldgs).
Am I alone in thinking this is at best a bit dumb?
I am beginning to think that you would be well advised to avoid the use of the word 'dumb'...
I assume the CAA will add my TMG rating to my PPL - but if they persist in not recognising my revalidation for SEP (as directed by them) my PPL would then be invalid....
No. There is no reason why the CAA should not add your TMG Rating to your PPL(A). If your SEP Class Rating has not been properly revalidated, your PPL(A) with TMG Class Rating will be valid but your SEP Class Rating will need to be renewed if you wish to fly a SEP Class aeroplane as PIC. The CAA would never 'direct' you with regard to your SEP Class rating; they may offer suggestions to your advantage but, not unreasonably, they do assume that you have some understanding of the regulations.
Had I not followed their advise I would have done 2 hours repeating the previous test and therefore revalidating my SEP!
I assume that you mean that you would have chosen to revalidate your SEP Class Rating by flying a revalidation LPC in a SEP Class aeroplane? 2 hours plus the Examiner's fee seems a somewhat expensive option.
If I am now told I have to RENEW my PPL I will really throw my teddy!
There is no logical reason why you should need to have your PPL(A) re-issued unless it is a JAR-FCL PPL(A) approaching the 5-year re-issue point. All JAR-FCL licences must be re-issued 5 years after initial issue (to do so requires a current and valid Class or Type Rating plus a current and valid JAA medical certificate plus a fee); however, if you have a pre-JAR-FCL PPL(A) then it is a lifetime licence which nver needs to be re-issued, although the validity of the Type or Class Ratings contained in the licence must be valid if you wish to fly as PIC.
PPL(A) 2yr renewal and TMG rating
Hi Dope, I share your frustations....
Way back in 2003 I took a TMG Class Rating Skills Test and in the preceding 12 months had only flown 8 hours, all in TMG. On the basis of this test my SEP (land) was renewed and TMG rating added to my licence for the usual two year period.....by the CAA!
Good luck with your quest.
Frelon
Way back in 2003 I took a TMG Class Rating Skills Test and in the preceding 12 months had only flown 8 hours, all in TMG. On the basis of this test my SEP (land) was renewed and TMG rating added to my licence for the usual two year period.....by the CAA!
Good luck with your quest.
Frelon
