The price of Avgas, £1.42p a litre and rising
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The problem with AVGAS is that it pollutes the atmosphere with lead, so it would be politically impossible to reduce the tax on it. Also, the nasty additive now has a single producer, so they can charge what they like for it. Hence, users of AVGAS must expect the price to continue to rise, during the long transition to modern engines that don't need lead.
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For those too young to know, car engines used to need leaded fuel, but were weaned off it when it was recognised that all the lead that was being pumped into the atmosphere was causing brain damage. Now, unleaded fuel just causes planet damage, but at least we can be sentient enough to realise it!
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Fenland's inclusive prices today.
£1.37 ltr for non members
£1.23 ltr for members
The savings I make as a member on landing fees (and the reciprocals) and fuel are well worth the membership sub I pay.
£1.37 ltr for non members
£1.23 ltr for members
The savings I make as a member on landing fees (and the reciprocals) and fuel are well worth the membership sub I pay.
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I was under the impression Avgas was now very low lead
This article on wikipedia explains it quite nicely, and gives the lead content of the different grades.
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The pollution argument is really a non-starter also. Compared to say car output on a single day, avgas consumption is quite small. Agree though that lead should go if only on the grounds that one place soley procdues all TEL.
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AVGAS 100LL has about the same amount of lead as 4 star used to have.
However, cars emit the lead from exhausts very close to the point that we inhale air. Therefore there was a very real cause from concern, particularly in towns.
Aircraft emit lead a long way from where anyone is breathing and therefore the danger to health is insignificant.
The wholesale price of AVGAS has started to drop but maybe some airfields are slow to pass this on.
However, cars emit the lead from exhausts very close to the point that we inhale air. Therefore there was a very real cause from concern, particularly in towns.
Aircraft emit lead a long way from where anyone is breathing and therefore the danger to health is insignificant.
The wholesale price of AVGAS has started to drop but maybe some airfields are slow to pass this on.
Lead levels in peoples blood, (which is where it does the damage) have been falling steadily ever since use of lead pipes began to be phased out. Neither the invention of leaded petrol nor the increase in use of motor vehicles after WW2 made any noticeable difference. Nor did the introduction of unleaded petrol. Lead out of car exhausts tends to be baked into solid particles which could probably be swallowed without ill effect.
Leaded petrol was phased out to allow the introduction of catalytic converters which are ruined by leaded fuel. The benzene and other additives which replace the lead are far more harmful than lead ever was.
Using a catalytic converter reduces pollution to such an extent that it is still worthwhile even though you need unleaded fuel. Using unleaded fuel without a cat is worse than pointless.
Leaded petrol was phased out to allow the introduction of catalytic converters which are ruined by leaded fuel. The benzene and other additives which replace the lead are far more harmful than lead ever was.
Using a catalytic converter reduces pollution to such an extent that it is still worthwhile even though you need unleaded fuel. Using unleaded fuel without a cat is worse than pointless.
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Shoreham is £1.16 + VAT, having gone DOWN from £1.22 + VAT on 1 September. I beleive it is coming down again as wholesale prices have dropped.
Headcorn is £1.19 + VAT, and in addition you get a free landing with minimum 40 litres, saving you £9.50.
Wellesbourne is £1.10 + VAT
All prices charged to me within the last 10 days
Headcorn is £1.19 + VAT, and in addition you get a free landing with minimum 40 litres, saving you £9.50.
Wellesbourne is £1.10 + VAT
All prices charged to me within the last 10 days
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This thread was about price ££££££££££
As I can remember 100L as it was meant leaded, 100LL as it is means low lead!
As far as I am aware the lead was to prevent damage to the reativly soft valve seats (mico welding?). They now have harder valve seats or at least different and the fuel probably has worse additives to prevent wear!
JL............
As I can remember 100L as it was meant leaded, 100LL as it is means low lead!
As far as I am aware the lead was to prevent damage to the reativly soft valve seats (mico welding?). They now have harder valve seats or at least different and the fuel probably has worse additives to prevent wear!
JL............
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Wycombe Air Park have just DROPPED the price as of 01 Oct to £1.18 per litre inc VAT (and you get a landing fee reduction).
I went to Leicester today and if you pick up 50L or more you get off the £10 landing fee but they are charging £1.40 inc VAT.
I went to Leicester today and if you pick up 50L or more you get off the £10 landing fee but they are charging £1.40 inc VAT.
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car versus plane emmisions
Hello everyone, I have just started my PPL and I have just been introduced to AvGas fuel prices (Fun! Another topic to moan about that is government/tax related)
Some were around page 2 emissions and pollution was mentioned, I think an interesting study to conduct would be to calculate the quantity of MoGas wasted in traffic jams and at red lights, in any one day in UK, then compare the quantities of CO2 and other various pollutants with those emitted as a result of GA (AvGas related).
I wouldn't be surprised if the AvGas pollution is incomparable to MoGas pollution, and this leads me to question the logic in taxing up AvGas to the extent that it is! Is it justified?
One more thing, why the hell do we pay VAT on top of duty, how do they justify this?
regards
James
Some were around page 2 emissions and pollution was mentioned, I think an interesting study to conduct would be to calculate the quantity of MoGas wasted in traffic jams and at red lights, in any one day in UK, then compare the quantities of CO2 and other various pollutants with those emitted as a result of GA (AvGas related).
I wouldn't be surprised if the AvGas pollution is incomparable to MoGas pollution, and this leads me to question the logic in taxing up AvGas to the extent that it is! Is it justified?
One more thing, why the hell do we pay VAT on top of duty, how do they justify this?
regards
James