Teaching On A PPL

[unfazed]

Show me the difference in validity between:-

1. Instruction given by a PPL/FI
and
2. Instruction given by a CPL/FI

When you instruct you will meet lots of members of the public (some who shouldn't be anywhere near an aircraft) and you will often be working to commercial pressures for a commercial organisation. You may also have passengers on a trial lesson. When the weather is throwing you a curve ball that is when you MAY well see a difference.

Like it or not the CPL license sharpens up your skills and forces you to fly to tighter tolerances, it also provides excellent training for weather or passenger diverts.

[Mike Cross]

Not sure its protectionism Frank, just ill-judged regulation.

My reading of it is that the CAA got worried about 30 years ago as a result of things like amateur flying displays, joyrides, illicit charter, and a general carefree attitude with an unacceptable accident rate. As a result there was a tightening up of which the BCPL was a part.

Unfazed
You haven't answered my question. What is the difference in validity? None.

Mike

[G_STRING]

I'm curious, (or ignorant)...

What's a 'CRI' course??

[172driver]

Like it or not the CPL license sharpens up your skills and forces you to fly to tighter tolerances, it also provides excellent training for weather or passenger diverts

The FAA have got it right(er) here. Over there you also need a CPL to instruct, HOWEVER, you DON'T need a first class medical and, more importantly, you don't need to do something like 70% of the ATPL with all the time and cost associated. It's fine to hold instructors (or people doing sightseeing flights, etc) to a higher standard than PPL, but this has to be done within reason. As usual, in Europe it is not

[WestWind1950]

a CRI course is a "class rating Insturctor course" i.e. a course for only class rating instruction of pilots already holding a PPL but NOT for instructing of beginners.

Mike, why advertise? This would be good for someone in clubs that have planes other then the usual C 152. It's good for someone who just wants to do it on the side for fun.

[Mike Cross]

why advertise?

I think you'd have a problem with the clubs. The paid instructors get paid little enough already and they'd be up in arms if they saw others doing "their" jobs for free. I suspect you'd also have a problem if the PPL/CRI was doing it for free and the club was charging for it (which they would be entitled to do as they would be providing the facilities behind it). There can't be a huge demand either for the services of CRI's. If you have a club with 500 members and they each need a revalidation flight every 2 years that's 5 flights a week to be shared out betwen the FI's and the CRI's.

Details of the PFA Coaching scheme are here. I believe the take-up has been disappointing.

The cost seems to be around 30 pounds per flying hour for the coach, quite how the legalities over payment are met I don't know.

You can also do the revalidation flight with a PFA Coach, details here.

Interesting that they say the coaches and assitant couaches can sign the C of E, as my understanding was that it had to be signed by an Examiner.

Mike

[WestWind1950]

Mike, ok, I guess you have a point with some clubs, but the CRI can do transition training outside of schools and clubs. Like I mentioned before, in Germany it is legal for instructors to be paid without a CPL, except in regards to the tax declaration perhaps.

But this would cover stiknruda's problem! He wants to teach people to fly a cub, a taildragger... with a CRI he could... legally!

One weird thing.... a FI without a CPL (still some around from the old pre-JAR-FCL days) can fly around with a beginning student (with or without pay) at a commercial school, yet this same person cannot do sightseeing flights for the same commercial operation!

Most of the regulation are supposed to be "harmonised" within the JAA community, but I don't see much harmonization at all!

Westy