Another fatal crash
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WR,
I think I understand your objection, but perhaps in this case it might just be true and it might actually provide "some small comfort" by describing his actions as courageous.
No-one yet knows what happened; we may never know for sure what happened.
I cannot begin to know what the pilot's family is suffering, but I think I would prefer to believe that one of my sons acted courageously and selflessly in an appalling situation.
SD
I think I understand your objection, but perhaps in this case it might just be true and it might actually provide "some small comfort" by describing his actions as courageous.
No-one yet knows what happened; we may never know for sure what happened.
I cannot begin to know what the pilot's family is suffering, but I think I would prefer to believe that one of my sons acted courageously and selflessly in an appalling situation.
SD
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Sending somone solo is such a proud moment. Not just for the student, but for the instructor as well - and in this case the boys father who was (like so many proud dads) watching from the sidelines. It's so sad to hear of such a pround moment ending this way. Of course we remember the boys family at this awful time, but we must also remember the authorising FI. This will be particurly traumatic for him/her and I hope that professionally and emotionally they are strong enough to recover from this event.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, I always say to my family - If I die flying, I've died happy, doing something I have always loved.
RIP young man.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, I always say to my family - If I die flying, I've died happy, doing something I have always loved.
RIP young man.
As a pilot, I can recognise the fact that what we love does involve some degree of risk.
As a dad, I can't even begin to imagine how his family are now feeling. My thoughts are with you.
As a dad, I can't even begin to imagine how his family are now feeling. My thoughts are with you.
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The media never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
My feelings are with the family and the boys instructor.
I wont speculate but as a student PPL with only 4 hours solo time, I cannot imagine the scenario and it makes me wonder how I would react.
Could I carry out the drills as smoothly as practiced in a non emergency situation or would I stumble over the drills on my own.
Tragedy for all concerned.
My feelings are with the family and the boys instructor.
I wont speculate but as a student PPL with only 4 hours solo time, I cannot imagine the scenario and it makes me wonder how I would react.
Could I carry out the drills as smoothly as practiced in a non emergency situation or would I stumble over the drills on my own.
Tragedy for all concerned.
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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Firstly, my thoughts go out to those affected. Words are never enough at such a time.
Without wishing to play air accident speculator I'll just say this to our student friend Bahn Jeaux....
Know and be able to recognise all the pre-stall symptoms.
Low or decreasing airspeed
Slack controls
Possible high nose attitude
Buffet
Stall warner
Lastly, remember that stall speed increases in a decending turn due to reduced power.
Awful accident - hope someone is saved by reading the AAIB report in due course.
VFE.
Without wishing to play air accident speculator I'll just say this to our student friend Bahn Jeaux....
Originally Posted by Bahn-Jeaux
Could I carry out the drills as smoothly as practiced in a non emergency situation or would I stumble over the drills on my own.
Tragedy for all concerned.
Tragedy for all concerned.
Low or decreasing airspeed
Slack controls
Possible high nose attitude
Buffet
Stall warner
Lastly, remember that stall speed increases in a decending turn due to reduced power.
Awful accident - hope someone is saved by reading the AAIB report in due course.
VFE.
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I do hope that it is appropriate to post this link, at what I think we all agree is a very sad time, but for those who maybe further interested in the incident, Essex Fire & Rescue website have some details and pictures on the following link.
http://www.essex-fire.gov.uk/pages/index.asp?area=5&id=46#
http://www.essex-fire.gov.uk/pages/index.asp?area=5&id=46#
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I think its awful news. I was 16 when i was flying solo with tiny hours..you just can't imagin..you're never fully ready, never as sharp as you could be. Tragic.
My condolences too, to the family, the brave guy, the FI, all thoes who knew him, and all those who had to watch helplessly.
Sam Kidd
:-(
My condolences too, to the family, the brave guy, the FI, all thoes who knew him, and all those who had to watch helplessly.
Sam Kidd
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Very sad for any family to loose some one so young, but with his father waiting at the airfield, tragic. A candle blown out in the wind.
My thoughts with the family, friends ,his instructors who taught him and those involved on the ground. A sad day for someone's dream to be ended so sadly!
Little Comfort for his family is he missed the playground and other ground obsticles that even though so tragic for them, no one else was involved. I could have been alot more horrific, (not that this is not terrible) if he had not.
My thoughts with the family, friends ,his instructors who taught him and those involved on the ground. A sad day for someone's dream to be ended so sadly!
Little Comfort for his family is he missed the playground and other ground obsticles that even though so tragic for them, no one else was involved. I could have been alot more horrific, (not that this is not terrible) if he had not.
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It's a terrible accident, a tragedy for the family and those at he school.
I find myself in a similar position, as my 18 year old daughter is ready for her first solo, but has got a real problem in doing it. Her instructor says she's ready, and has been for a few hours, but she is terrified. There is no way on Earth that I am going to push her, God forbid that she had an accident if I did. I will therefore use this sad event to sit back and reflect. If she doesn't want to go, then she won't go. End of story. Yes, I'll be dissapointed, so will she, but if she realises that it's too big a hurdle to jump fair enough.
This poor young man's family are going through hell right now, my deepest sympathies go out to them, but their loss has brought home to me the inherrant dangers of young people flying.
I find myself in a similar position, as my 18 year old daughter is ready for her first solo, but has got a real problem in doing it. Her instructor says she's ready, and has been for a few hours, but she is terrified. There is no way on Earth that I am going to push her, God forbid that she had an accident if I did. I will therefore use this sad event to sit back and reflect. If she doesn't want to go, then she won't go. End of story. Yes, I'll be dissapointed, so will she, but if she realises that it's too big a hurdle to jump fair enough.
This poor young man's family are going through hell right now, my deepest sympathies go out to them, but their loss has brought home to me the inherrant dangers of young people flying.
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Sad Day
I too learnt, then later instructed at that club. It is indeed superb and I have huge sympathy for the instructor who I know to be supremely proffessional. My condolences to the family.
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G-BABB 1.2 miles to the west of 06
Matching the Esses fire photos w. Google earth shows the position at about:
51 degrees 33 minutes 57.31 seconds North
0 degrees 39 minutes 28.55 seconds East
Not knowing the circuit and joining procedures for GA aircraft at EGMC, shows that the aircraft came down 1.2 statute miles from the threshold?
51 degrees 33 minutes 57.31 seconds North
0 degrees 39 minutes 28.55 seconds East
Not knowing the circuit and joining procedures for GA aircraft at EGMC, shows that the aircraft came down 1.2 statute miles from the threshold?
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Not sure what to say but,
Firstly my most sincere condolences to Everyone involved
I have tears for so many reasons,
Seawing and it's predecessor (TEFC) was my learning ground.
I am now a senior instuctor here in OZ
I also 'luckily' "very"' survived an incident at Eastwood corner in 1976
The high standard of aircraft and instructors here in OZ try to mirror those of the UK.
My heartfelt thoughts to the Family, Seawing and everyone at Southend,
To those of you learning (we all are), learn and reach for the skies.
Paul Wright
I have had so many calls in the last 12 hours which shows our lives and loves effect so many people from around the world,
Fly with the angels and rest in peace.
Firstly my most sincere condolences to Everyone involved
I have tears for so many reasons,
Seawing and it's predecessor (TEFC) was my learning ground.
I am now a senior instuctor here in OZ
I also 'luckily' "very"' survived an incident at Eastwood corner in 1976
The high standard of aircraft and instructors here in OZ try to mirror those of the UK.
My heartfelt thoughts to the Family, Seawing and everyone at Southend,
To those of you learning (we all are), learn and reach for the skies.
Paul Wright
I have had so many calls in the last 12 hours which shows our lives and loves effect so many people from around the world,
Fly with the angels and rest in peace.
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An eye witness Brian Nicholas said this:
"It was flying erractically and slowly, then bank, and nose dived towards the ground, spinning around it's fuselage."
From this, it is quite clear that the aircraft stalled, and fell to the ground. What caused the stall is the real mistery. A Cessna 150 is very hard to stall with flaps, but I am sure you are all aware how easy it is to be distracted whilst landing, especially as a learner.
I dont want to start an arguement, but I do think that saying he "saved lives" is a bit overkill. The plane obviously stalled and was spinning, so how would he have steared away from people??
If he was able to miss people, he would not have crashed in a vertical position!
Thats just my opinion (which is afterall what a forum is for), so dont shout at me if you dissaggree.
"It was flying erractically and slowly, then bank, and nose dived towards the ground, spinning around it's fuselage."
From this, it is quite clear that the aircraft stalled, and fell to the ground. What caused the stall is the real mistery. A Cessna 150 is very hard to stall with flaps, but I am sure you are all aware how easy it is to be distracted whilst landing, especially as a learner.
I dont want to start an arguement, but I do think that saying he "saved lives" is a bit overkill. The plane obviously stalled and was spinning, so how would he have steared away from people??
If he was able to miss people, he would not have crashed in a vertical position!
Thats just my opinion (which is afterall what a forum is for), so dont shout at me if you dissaggree.
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What caused this terrible incident is NOT for us here on this thread to speculate. Now is the time for reflection and to pass on condolences to all involved in this tradegy. Wait for the official report and stop darkening this thread with speculation and drivel.
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Can anyone confirm that this tragic event occured on the base to final turn as I have been informed from what should be a relaiable source that it was from takeoff to crosswind.
RIP young man
RIP young man