Epaulettes
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Epaulettes
I am confused on the above title! Obviously i know what epaulettes are but what i am confused at is what each bar represents. I know that they go from 1-4 bars and come in gold and silver. Can somebody please explain????
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From: SE Asia
Awwwwww
Awwwww poor skelly asks an innocent question and look at the replies to his 4th post......I stand to be corrected but
4 = Captain
3 = Senior First Officer
2 = First Officer
1 = Second Officer
As for gold or silver nothing should be read into that its a Company choice....e.g. BA choose Silver as do most American carriers....Gold seems to be going out of fashion in the west but popular in the East...so Singapore Airlines are in gold....
4 = Captain
3 = Senior First Officer
2 = First Officer
1 = Second Officer
As for gold or silver nothing should be read into that its a Company choice....e.g. BA choose Silver as do most American carriers....Gold seems to be going out of fashion in the west but popular in the East...so Singapore Airlines are in gold....
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hi:
in the US, 4 stripes is captain (PIC)
3 stripes is f/o (or pilot qualified flight engineer/second officer)
2 stripes is (was!) a professional flight engineer (at one point you could be an f/e if you were a mechanic and you didn't need to be pilot qualified, but that changed way back when)
1 stripe didn't have anything to do with pilot rankings, though some of our flight attendents had one stripe of a very different color.
in the US, 4 stripes is captain (PIC)
3 stripes is f/o (or pilot qualified flight engineer/second officer)
2 stripes is (was!) a professional flight engineer (at one point you could be an f/e if you were a mechanic and you didn't need to be pilot qualified, but that changed way back when)
1 stripe didn't have anything to do with pilot rankings, though some of our flight attendents had one stripe of a very different color.
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From: In a perambulator.
British Airways flight crew might have you believe that their silver coloured bars are actually platinum tinged. In such a fashion do they represent their standing in the field of aviation in their own eyes.
I have heard a rumour that the uniform standards division of the CAA is shortly to introduce wavy bars, as used to be worn in the RNVR. The intention is to issue these bars to low time pilots and perhaps inexperienced cabin crew so that passengers will immediatly know whom not to follow in an emergency.
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From: SE England
he intention is to issue these bars to low time pilots and perhaps inexperienced cabin crew so that passengers will immediatly know whom not to follow in an emergency.
At BA and quite a few other airlines...
4 - Captain (not necessarily PIC)
3 - SFO
2 - FO
1 - Not used anymore.
P.s THEY ARE PLATINUM!
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From: I wouldn't know.
Over here its more simple:
4 Captain
3 FO (from first day line training on with 200 hours total
)
2 not used
1 not used
Oh, and its platinum all right, (well, so they say) just another remembrance of our times as a 100% BA owned company a few years back.
Other companies use different schemes with cabin crew having a few stripes as well so there is no real rule to it, at least no official one.
4 Captain
3 FO (from first day line training on with 200 hours total
)2 not used
1 not used
Oh, and its platinum all right, (well, so they say) just another remembrance of our times as a 100% BA owned company a few years back.
Other companies use different schemes with cabin crew having a few stripes as well so there is no real rule to it, at least no official one.
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From: Hampshire, UK
I would like the large shoulder things with tassels hanging down like you get on curtains at theatres, and possibly a gold sash and ceremonial sword, though I anticipate problems getting through security with that. Trouble is 'platinum' tassels wouldn't look quite right. But I like the idea of a 'Lichtenstein Admiral' uniform. Guess i'll just have to settle for 4 rings, but gold looks awfully gaudy after platinum!
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From: s'pore
with Malaysia Airlines,its :
4 Bars plus a star : Management pilot
4 Bars : Captain
3 Bars : F/O with ATPL
2 1/2 Bars : F/O without ATPL
2 Bars : Second officer(no difference basically between S/O and F/O,except that S/O has less hours)
1 Bar : Cadet pilot under conversion training
cheers!
4 Bars plus a star : Management pilot
4 Bars : Captain
3 Bars : F/O with ATPL
2 1/2 Bars : F/O without ATPL
2 Bars : Second officer(no difference basically between S/O and F/O,except that S/O has less hours)
1 Bar : Cadet pilot under conversion training
cheers!
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From: Middle East
At Air Asia
2 Bar - First Officer
3 Bar - Senior First Officer (with unfrozen ATPL)
4 Bar - Captain
All Gold
At Cathay Pacific,
1 Bar - Second Officer
2 Bar - Junior First Officer
2 1/2 Bar - First Officer
3 Bar - First Officer and Relief Commander
4 Bar - Captain
All Gold.
2 Bar - First Officer
3 Bar - Senior First Officer (with unfrozen ATPL)
4 Bar - Captain
All Gold
At Cathay Pacific,
1 Bar - Second Officer
2 Bar - Junior First Officer
2 1/2 Bar - First Officer
3 Bar - First Officer and Relief Commander
4 Bar - Captain
All Gold.
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From: UK
In the uk engineers are supposed to wear stripes as part of their line unifrom and these can range from one to four, with our company they are different by way of having maroon between the gold bars.
At a lot of airlines the operations people wear stripes as well.
At a lot of airlines the operations people wear stripes as well.
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From: In a perambulator.
If I remember correctly, the reason that maroon appears on engineers' epaulettes is in memory of those engineers who frantically tried to kep the RMS Titanic afloat as long as possible. Their selfless sacrifice in remaining below and tripping circuit breakers, allowing the ship to stay illuminated as long as possible, allowed many passengers to be evacuated who would otherwise have floundered in the dark. There is,or was, a memorial at East Park, Southampton, to the engineer officers who remained at their posts on April 15th, 1912.
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From: Ether
Originally Posted by FlyUK
What, the ones who do EXACTLY the same SEP training as the more 'Senior Crew'
At BA and quite a few other airlines...
4 - Captain (not necessarily PIC)
3 - SFO
2 - FO
1 - Not used anymore.
P.s THEY ARE PLATINUM!
At BA and quite a few other airlines...
4 - Captain (not necessarily PIC)
3 - SFO
2 - FO
1 - Not used anymore.
P.s THEY ARE PLATINUM!
Recent exceptions include Captains from airlines merged into BA who kept their rank.
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From: Jerez
Originally Posted by Buckshot
Heard recently that commanders of the A380 at one airline will have five bars on the epaulettes. A little OTT if you ask me...
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From: Netherlands
EC Does It,
Have you no imagination, us freight dogs got around the problem years ago. We have them printed on the T-shirt shoulders, problem solved.
I have heard many theories re engineers having maroon between the gold. Every one feasible. Basically all the colours were carried over from the navy. In the Netherlands these colours were used to denote different functions, although I recall only Maroon being used with British companies. Also, only the French and Belgians retained the cirlicue (hope that how it is spelt), on the upper ring. Italians use a star above the top ring to denote training captain.
Any more variations to chew over a beer or two?
Have you no imagination, us freight dogs got around the problem years ago. We have them printed on the T-shirt shoulders, problem solved.
I have heard many theories re engineers having maroon between the gold. Every one feasible. Basically all the colours were carried over from the navy. In the Netherlands these colours were used to denote different functions, although I recall only Maroon being used with British companies. Also, only the French and Belgians retained the cirlicue (hope that how it is spelt), on the upper ring. Italians use a star above the top ring to denote training captain.
Any more variations to chew over a beer or two?