Get JAA PPL in Schools based in the US
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Get JAA PPL in Schools based in the US
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I would like to go to the USA and attend an accelerated training program (1 month) in order to get an JAA or JAR PPL. I am a Frenchman and would like to fly in Europe after all. Which school would you suggest me? I know there are three in Florida and two in California, maybe more? But I have no clue about quality/price ratio. By the way, could anyone explain me whether it is better to convert a FAA to a JAR or to do a JAA directly approved by the UK CAA? JAA PPL versus JAR PPL pro/contra?
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I would like to go to the USA and attend an accelerated training program (1 month) in order to get an JAA or JAR PPL. I am a Frenchman and would like to fly in Europe after all. Which school would you suggest me? I know there are three in Florida and two in California, maybe more? But I have no clue about quality/price ratio. By the way, could anyone explain me whether it is better to convert a FAA to a JAR or to do a JAA directly approved by the UK CAA? JAA PPL versus JAR PPL pro/contra?
Thank you in advance,
Best, Tango
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Accelerated courses are not for everyone. I attended one in Florida, and the pressure you are putting yourself under can be counterproductive. When you are not flying you are studying, and if you are the kind of person who mulls over mistakes, you are going to make a lot of them in a very short period so your mind will be overloaded!
I personally would have been better off spending my money doing the ppl at a more relaxed pace: although the US is cheaper, for me some of the flying time was wasted because I was still thinking about why the last lesson went badly when getting into the next one.
If you can put errors behind you immediately and are prepared to put a lot of effort in, it can be great, and you get guaranteed weather and cheaper flights.
The condensed format means it can be easy to forget stuff quickly afterwards.
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I personally would have been better off spending my money doing the ppl at a more relaxed pace: although the US is cheaper, for me some of the flying time was wasted because I was still thinking about why the last lesson went badly when getting into the next one.
If you can put errors behind you immediately and are prepared to put a lot of effort in, it can be great, and you get guaranteed weather and cheaper flights.
The condensed format means it can be easy to forget stuff quickly afterwards.
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I would recommend you get the FAA PPL at any of the good schools who teach also for the JAR PPL. That way you will have a standalone US certificate to add the IR to later, and will also have been instructed in the ways of the JAA. A mysterious body soon to be EASA.
It may be an idea to actually do the JAR skills test here in Europe after a few hours with an instuctor. This time will also be useful for familiarisation with the local differences. With less than 100hrs you still need to do all the ground exams, fortunately.
(By the way JAR is JAA).
As far as where in the US to go : IMHO West is best.
It may be an idea to actually do the JAR skills test here in Europe after a few hours with an instuctor. This time will also be useful for familiarisation with the local differences. With less than 100hrs you still need to do all the ground exams, fortunately.
(By the way JAR is JAA).
As far as where in the US to go : IMHO West is best.
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JAA in Florida
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I completed my JAA PPL with Britannia Flight Centre when they were based in Winter Haven Florida. Apart from a major fall out with my instructor it was a really cool place to gain a PPL, the boys than ran the show George and Jatin were most accomadating and nothing was a problem. The aircraft were a wee bit shoddy but you have to bear in mind the cost of the course reflected this and if I were to undertake this adventure again I would have completed most of the ground school in Scotland, learned to fly in a Warrior and this would have made the course less stressful.
Wish you all the best and it was a magical time for me.
I completed my JAA PPL with Britannia Flight Centre when they were based in Winter Haven Florida. Apart from a major fall out with my instructor it was a really cool place to gain a PPL, the boys than ran the show George and Jatin were most accomadating and nothing was a problem. The aircraft were a wee bit shoddy but you have to bear in mind the cost of the course reflected this and if I were to undertake this adventure again I would have completed most of the ground school in Scotland, learned to fly in a Warrior and this would have made the course less stressful.
Wish you all the best and it was a magical time for me.
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JAA in USA
Hi,
Thank you a lot for the useful suggestions. Let me summarize: First, before to go to the USA, do your written examination in Europe to be able to focuse on flying in the USA. Second, do a FAA with JAA option (convert it to a JAA). Third, about the school and the location, you suggest me Florida because of the weather, for instance britania flight centre. Why not California? and for instance UK flight training? Has someone already heard about UK flight training at Long Beach?
Thank you in advance,
Best, Tango
Thank you a lot for the useful suggestions. Let me summarize: First, before to go to the USA, do your written examination in Europe to be able to focuse on flying in the USA. Second, do a FAA with JAA option (convert it to a JAA). Third, about the school and the location, you suggest me Florida because of the weather, for instance britania flight centre. Why not California? and for instance UK flight training? Has someone already heard about UK flight training at Long Beach?
Thank you in advance,
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I gained a JAA PPL in Florida because I had no intention of advancing to ATPL (46 years young). I have been attempting to complete my IMC in the UK and find it impossible to to family commitments and work. If I were to tackle the JAA PPL again I would complete all of the CAA exams and then enrol in an intensive training program, familiarity is good.
Final comment: I was fortunate with Britannia, beware there are lots of Comanches!!!!!!!!!
Final comment: I was fortunate with Britannia, beware there are lots of Comanches!!!!!!!!!
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I would recommend you get the FAA PPL at any of the good schools who teach also for the JAR PPL. That way you will have a standalone US certificate to add the IR to later,
Dont forget you can add an FAA IR to your US licence based on foreign licence anyway so if you already have your JAA PPL dont get talked into taking an extra PPL or paying for 2 PPLs when you dont strictly need to.
You can go onto do your FAA CPL without ever taking the FAA PPL in this manner.
Julian
Dont forget you can add an FAA IR to your US licence based on foreign licence anyway so if you already have your JAA PPL dont get talked into taking an extra PPL or paying for 2 PPLs when you dont strictly need to.
You can go onto do your FAA CPL without ever taking the FAA PPL in this manner.
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The best reason for obtaining a stand alone FAA PPL, rather than the "based on" version, is simply that it avoids being compelled to maintain the validity of the base licence, and remains valid for life.
Don't let anyone tell you that there is no difference between the two.
Don't let anyone tell you that there is no difference between the two.
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PPL Compliant JAR
Thank you all for the information.
I asked the French Aviation Authority (DGAC), whether one can fly on a French registered aircraft with a FAA PPL converted into a PPL Compliant JAR (like the one delivered by UK Flight Training in Long Beach). The answer is no, with such a licence you can only fly in France with British registered aircrafts. And the French Authority ony accepts to recognise the american FAA PPL if you are an American Resident (I know an Englishman or Frenchman can be resident in USA, but it is not very usual, and I am not in..). So, a JAA PPL may be better if one plan to fly in European countries as the aeroclubs have (generally) registered Aircraft from their own country only. Could please anyone react to this statement, I would like to know whether I am right.
Best, Tango
I asked the French Aviation Authority (DGAC), whether one can fly on a French registered aircraft with a FAA PPL converted into a PPL Compliant JAR (like the one delivered by UK Flight Training in Long Beach). The answer is no, with such a licence you can only fly in France with British registered aircrafts. And the French Authority ony accepts to recognise the american FAA PPL if you are an American Resident (I know an Englishman or Frenchman can be resident in USA, but it is not very usual, and I am not in..). So, a JAA PPL may be better if one plan to fly in European countries as the aeroclubs have (generally) registered Aircraft from their own country only. Could please anyone react to this statement, I would like to know whether I am right.
Best, Tango
PPL Compliant JAR
There is NO SUCH THING! Either you have a JAA Licence or you don't.
By the way JAR is JAA
JAR is a Requirement!
JAA is an Authority!
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Originally Posted by Whopity
You mean Like FAR is FAA!
JAR is a Requirement!
JAA is an Authority!
If one had bothered to read the thread one might have noticed the original poster was under the impression there was a difference between a JAR PPL and a JAA PPL. So for those who are unable to assess which misunderstanding was being corrected :
For the purpose of licence issue: The NAA's issue icences under authority from the JAA where the requirements of the icence are defined in the JAR's FCL section.
Or, in this context, JAA is JAR.
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I think you are 100% right - this is the answer one would expect.
The Frogs are quite protective of their domestic business - they want to make it hard for pilots to operate F-reg planes on FAA licenses. The CAA, to its credit, has not done this.
However both would like to kick out N-reg planes, and flying an N-reg is the only way to do it properly
Incidentally, there is little point in doing a piggyback FAA PPL nowadays - unless you never wish to go beyond that (i.e. do an FAA IR). This is because it is all but necessary to go to the USA for any FAA checkride, so it is highly sensible to do all required training (to reach the FAA IR test standard) out there, which means one may as well do the FAA standalone PPL out there while at it. 2-3 years ago this wasn't the case; one could have done the FAA IR wholly in the UK and a lot of people did the FAA piggyback PPL because it was easy. Now it's pretty pointless.
It's a good idea to take a long term view on this stuff. Unless you really never ever want to do an IR, it's best to do a standalone FAA PPL, you can then fly G-reg on that worldwide VFR, and then you are all set for the FAA IR.
I think you are 100% right - this is the answer one would expect.
The Frogs are quite protective of their domestic business - they want to make it hard for pilots to operate F-reg planes on FAA licenses. The CAA, to its credit, has not done this.
However both would like to kick out N-reg planes, and flying an N-reg is the only way to do it properly
Incidentally, there is little point in doing a piggyback FAA PPL nowadays - unless you never wish to go beyond that (i.e. do an FAA IR). This is because it is all but necessary to go to the USA for any FAA checkride, so it is highly sensible to do all required training (to reach the FAA IR test standard) out there, which means one may as well do the FAA standalone PPL out there while at it. 2-3 years ago this wasn't the case; one could have done the FAA IR wholly in the UK and a lot of people did the FAA piggyback PPL because it was easy. Now it's pretty pointless.
It's a good idea to take a long term view on this stuff. Unless you really never ever want to do an IR, it's best to do a standalone FAA PPL, you can then fly G-reg on that worldwide VFR, and then you are all set for the FAA IR.
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clarification needed
Hello all,
Whopity, thank you a lot for your clarification about the terminology.
OVC002, you are right, thank you too. I've already got confused with the terminology in the past
but I just wanted to make the distinction between a "standalone" licence and a "restricted one". Unfortunately, this makes a difference especially in France. You are arguing that a licence issued by CAA is a JAA licence, and that's it. OK, I wish you were right, but then, how can the French Aviation Authority (DGAC) not allow to fly on a foxtrott registered Aircraft? Does a JAA licence only allow you to fly on aircrafts registered by the the JAA member state which issued the licence? Is that possible? if you have a PPL JAA issued by the CAA, you can only fly on british registered aircrafts and not on German or French ones??? This statement may be too strong. Let me try to explain what I have understood so far (I may be wrong). The DGAC is saying that a "standalone" JAA PPL is recognised in France (wherever you got it from), but a FAA licence with JAA option (FAA Licence + you pass all 7 JAA tests + JAA Examination) like the one advertised by UK flight Training at Long Beach California, even if the CAA issues a JAA licence based on that, this licence will not be recognised by the DGAC. With such a JAR licence issued by the CAA (however you call the licence) you can only fly in France with Britisch registered aircrafts. Could someone please react to this statement?
IO540, thank you a lot for you comments. If I understand you right, you are telling me that a standalone FAA is better if you want to do an IR thenafter, OK. And FAA as mentioned is a life time licence. However, the american FAA recognizes the JAA PPL (IR) and, see under the following link (Chris's experience, he got a "restricted" FAA PPL without even going to the USA)
http://www.cirrus147.com/faa_licensing.htm#MATTIR
. About the FAA licence, unfortunately, I am from a small town, Saint Louis in France, which is located on the German-Swiss border, and all three aeroclubs in "Habsheim" (near Saint Louis) have only French and German registered aircrafts.
Is the solution to do both? standalone FAA and standalone JAA? or to leave France and become a professional pilote?
Whopity, thank you a lot for your clarification about the terminology.
OVC002, you are right, thank you too. I've already got confused with the terminology in the past
but I just wanted to make the distinction between a "standalone" licence and a "restricted one". Unfortunately, this makes a difference especially in France. You are arguing that a licence issued by CAA is a JAA licence, and that's it. OK, I wish you were right, but then, how can the French Aviation Authority (DGAC) not allow to fly on a foxtrott registered Aircraft? Does a JAA licence only allow you to fly on aircrafts registered by the the JAA member state which issued the licence? Is that possible? if you have a PPL JAA issued by the CAA, you can only fly on british registered aircrafts and not on German or French ones??? This statement may be too strong. Let me try to explain what I have understood so far (I may be wrong). The DGAC is saying that a "standalone" JAA PPL is recognised in France (wherever you got it from), but a FAA licence with JAA option (FAA Licence + you pass all 7 JAA tests + JAA Examination) like the one advertised by UK flight Training at Long Beach California, even if the CAA issues a JAA licence based on that, this licence will not be recognised by the DGAC. With such a JAR licence issued by the CAA (however you call the licence) you can only fly in France with Britisch registered aircrafts. Could someone please react to this statement?IO540, thank you a lot for you comments. If I understand you right, you are telling me that a standalone FAA is better if you want to do an IR thenafter, OK. And FAA as mentioned is a life time licence. However, the american FAA recognizes the JAA PPL (IR) and, see under the following link (Chris's experience, he got a "restricted" FAA PPL without even going to the USA)
http://www.cirrus147.com/faa_licensing.htm#MATTIR
. About the FAA licence, unfortunately, I am from a small town, Saint Louis in France, which is located on the German-Swiss border, and all three aeroclubs in "Habsheim" (near Saint Louis) have only French and German registered aircrafts.
Is the solution to do both? standalone FAA and standalone JAA? or to leave France and become a professional pilote?
