Log book confusion
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Log book confusion
Hi,
Me and my friend both have PPLs, we went flying in a PA-28 and he clocked the P1 hours and so I wrote the hours in as P2 and put him down as captain. I recently looked at the front of my log book and found this information:
P2 = Second pilot exercising the privileges of his licence as a required member of the operating crew.
Am I a 'Required' member of the operating crew for a PA-28? as a PA-28 can be flown by one pilot.
also the book says:
Flying time as 'second pilot' is entered under 'P2' and will in all cases be the precise period as determined by the pilot-in-command of the aircraft during which the holder acted during the course of the flight in the capacity shown.
well i clocked 1.1 hours and so did my friend?!
Should I just have recorded the flight as passenger hours? or something else ?
Thanks, JamesBG
Me and my friend both have PPLs, we went flying in a PA-28 and he clocked the P1 hours and so I wrote the hours in as P2 and put him down as captain. I recently looked at the front of my log book and found this information:
P2 = Second pilot exercising the privileges of his licence as a required member of the operating crew.
Am I a 'Required' member of the operating crew for a PA-28? as a PA-28 can be flown by one pilot.
also the book says:
Flying time as 'second pilot' is entered under 'P2' and will in all cases be the precise period as determined by the pilot-in-command of the aircraft during which the holder acted during the course of the flight in the capacity shown.
well i clocked 1.1 hours and so did my friend?!
Should I just have recorded the flight as passenger hours? or something else ?
Thanks, JamesBG
"Am I a 'Required' member of the operating crew for a PA-28?"
NO - the P2 term applies only to those aircraft which must be flown with a 2-pilot crew as required by their certification.
"well i clocked 1.1 hours and so did my friend?!
Should I just have recorded the flight as passenger hours? or something else ?"
You were a passenger and cannot log any of the time of that particular flight as flight crew. If you wish to record it as passenger flying, use the 'remarks' or 'other flying' columns.
NO - the P2 term applies only to those aircraft which must be flown with a 2-pilot crew as required by their certification.
"well i clocked 1.1 hours and so did my friend?!
Should I just have recorded the flight as passenger hours? or something else ?"
You were a passenger and cannot log any of the time of that particular flight as flight crew. If you wish to record it as passenger flying, use the 'remarks' or 'other flying' columns.
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If you wish to record it as passenger flying, use the 'remarks' or 'other flying' columns
However, LASORS says that if you want to record it, you should list your "operating capacity" as "SNY" - supernumary - and then record the details of the flights in the Remarks column.
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This may not apply in this particular case, but in fact there is an important exception to this rule.
JAR-FCL 1.080(c)(3): "A cruise relief co-pilot pilot may log all flight time as co-pilot when occupying a pilot’s seat."
JAR-FCL 1.080(c)(3): "A cruise relief co-pilot pilot may log all flight time as co-pilot when occupying a pilot’s seat."
Applicable only to mutli-pilot aircraft operated under an AOC which includes cruise relief co-pilot operation.
Irrelevant to SEP/MEP flying.
Irrelevant to SEP/MEP flying.
