FLIGHTSTORE sold my details!
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FLIGHTSTORE may have sold my details!
Along with a few people on the forum, I have long wondered where LOOP got my address from. Well I think the mystery has been revealed in my case, this morning.
I received an email from David Calderwood requesting me to take exactly the same action as the PFA Campaign Group requested several days ago regarding Two Jags latest attempt to kill off GA completely in the UK.
I try to formulate e-mail addresses whenever I use on-line shopping to uniquely identify the source of subsequent SPAM as well as being very careful to check and uncheck those relevant boxes in the small print.
Needless to say that by taking a cursory glance at the address to which LOOP's latest attempt at plagiarism was addressed, I have absolutely no doubt that Flightstore have supplied them with my personal details. I will not be using Flightstore again.
I received an email from David Calderwood requesting me to take exactly the same action as the PFA Campaign Group requested several days ago regarding Two Jags latest attempt to kill off GA completely in the UK.
I try to formulate e-mail addresses whenever I use on-line shopping to uniquely identify the source of subsequent SPAM as well as being very careful to check and uncheck those relevant boxes in the small print.
Needless to say that by taking a cursory glance at the address to which LOOP's latest attempt at plagiarism was addressed, I have absolutely no doubt that Flightstore have supplied them with my personal details. I will not be using Flightstore again.
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I don't think it should be a 'fact of life'.
By making a purchase on-line I don't and shouldn't expect that purchase to generate SPAM from vendor or whoever they choose to sell my details too, particularly when I check boxes on micro-font hidden statements specifically requesting this action doesn't happen.
By making a purchase on-line I don't and shouldn't expect that purchase to generate SPAM from vendor or whoever they choose to sell my details too, particularly when I check boxes on micro-font hidden statements specifically requesting this action doesn't happen.
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So that's where they got my Wife's email address from!
Oh and my Parents email address as well!
I'll check my pet dog's email account a bit later, just in case.
Oh and my Parents email address as well!
I'll check my pet dog's email account a bit later, just in case.
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They also contacted many of the flying clubs in the country, some of who provided details of their membership.
This raises a whole number of Data Protection issues, and if you wished to pursue it, you could probably get Loop and the people who privded your details in a lot of trouble - provided you have checked the box that tells them they can't use your details fort marketing purposes.
That being said, although it's not the most amazing publication in the world, it occupies 20 minutes every so often.
This raises a whole number of Data Protection issues, and if you wished to pursue it, you could probably get Loop and the people who privded your details in a lot of trouble - provided you have checked the box that tells them they can't use your details fort marketing purposes.
That being said, although it's not the most amazing publication in the world, it occupies 20 minutes every so often.
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By making a purchase on-line I don't and shouldn't expect that purchase to generate SPAM from vendor or whoever they choose to sell my details too, particularly when I check boxes on micro-font hidden statements specifically requesting this action doesn't happen
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Flightstore Response
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Flightstore would like to thank everyone for their comments today on this forum and we are delighted to be able to set our customers minds to rest over this confusion.
Firstly, Flightstore have not now, ever or will ever give our customers details to ANYONE. We are happy to confirm that we did NOT give your details to LOOP magazine. So, obviously the confusion is "What Happened ?"
Flightstore is dedicated to this industry, in particular the stability and growth of Private Airfields and Schools which we all depend on.
Even though we are totally invloved in private aviation, we admit even we did not know about this very worrying situation of the change of status of airfield land that would allow an easier path to development and so resulting in the sale of our airfields.
We would like to thank LOOP publishing and their investigative journalism in bringing this situation to light.
LOOP approached us and made Flightstore aware of the situation and asked us for help.
In light of the potential damage this new law could inflict we agreed to send out an information bulletin by email to our vast database of pilots.
LOOP publishing sent to FLIGHTSTORE the email and we then sent that email to our users via the FLIGHTSTORE server.
At no time did we release your details to LOOP.
The reason why no mention was made that this was from Flightstore is that it was not a FLIGHTSTORE standard product email. We did not want to dilute the message. We only have 13 more days to make the government aware their is opposition to this law. We need to ACT NOW !!. The future of private aviation hangs in the balance. So far LOOP Publishing, the P.FA and Flightstore have attempted to make a stand against this development. We hope, now that we have explained what actually happened, we will gain the support of this magazine, FLYER, and the other pilot magazines who pertain to be supportive of our superb leisure activity.
We would like to wish LOOP good luck with the campaign and happy flying to all our customers.
Flightstore Pilot Shop
Flightstore would like to thank everyone for their comments today on this forum and we are delighted to be able to set our customers minds to rest over this confusion.
Firstly, Flightstore have not now, ever or will ever give our customers details to ANYONE. We are happy to confirm that we did NOT give your details to LOOP magazine. So, obviously the confusion is "What Happened ?"
Flightstore is dedicated to this industry, in particular the stability and growth of Private Airfields and Schools which we all depend on.
Even though we are totally invloved in private aviation, we admit even we did not know about this very worrying situation of the change of status of airfield land that would allow an easier path to development and so resulting in the sale of our airfields.
We would like to thank LOOP publishing and their investigative journalism in bringing this situation to light.
LOOP approached us and made Flightstore aware of the situation and asked us for help.
In light of the potential damage this new law could inflict we agreed to send out an information bulletin by email to our vast database of pilots.
LOOP publishing sent to FLIGHTSTORE the email and we then sent that email to our users via the FLIGHTSTORE server.
At no time did we release your details to LOOP.
The reason why no mention was made that this was from Flightstore is that it was not a FLIGHTSTORE standard product email. We did not want to dilute the message. We only have 13 more days to make the government aware their is opposition to this law. We need to ACT NOW !!. The future of private aviation hangs in the balance. So far LOOP Publishing, the P.FA and Flightstore have attempted to make a stand against this development. We hope, now that we have explained what actually happened, we will gain the support of this magazine, FLYER, and the other pilot magazines who pertain to be supportive of our superb leisure activity.
We would like to wish LOOP good luck with the campaign and happy flying to all our customers.
Flightstore Pilot Shop
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I also received this mail.
I've just checked the email header : it does indeed seem to have come directly to me from the Flightstore mail server.
With that put to bed, it's now time for some MP bashing, I think !
FF
I've just checked the email header : it does indeed seem to have come directly to me from the Flightstore mail server.
With that put to bed, it's now time for some MP bashing, I think !
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Originally Posted by FLIGHTSTORE
we agreed to send out an information bulletin by email to our vast database of pilots.
That will teach me for reading PPRUNE forum postings!
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Firstly I should like to thank Flightstore for the clarification, which I am sure will be welcomed by all. Secondly does this not also show the power of PPRUNE when we get such a good result so quickly. Thirdly I thank TC_LTN for highlighting it.
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How to win friends and influence people - not
Originally Posted by TC_LTN
I have absolutely no doubt that Flightstore have supplied them with my personal details. I will not be using Flightstore again.
In the absence of an apology to Flightstore from TC_LTN (who I am sure is busy at work and will get around to it later), let's make sure we don't start turning on ourselves. I for one have no relationship with Flightstore beyond being a customer, what they need is encouragement for doing something constructive.
TC_LTN, a simple email or phone call to Flightstore would have clarified the situation and avoided an unfair and unjustified hysterical moment.
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I am afraid I don't feel minded to apologise to anyone. While Flightstore's efforts to emulate what other organisations have already publicised may be laudable, I am still concerned on two counts.
1. I supplied my name and address as part of an on-line commercial transaction and did not expect that transaction to result in unsolicited e-mail regardless of its nature.
2. I now have very good reason to suspect that at least one copy of LOOP that I have received, again unsolicited, was directly as a result of this transaction with Flightstore. If Flightstore assure me this is not the case then I will apologise unequivocally for THIS suggestion however given the very specific content of the address involved, I remain to be convinced.
1. I supplied my name and address as part of an on-line commercial transaction and did not expect that transaction to result in unsolicited e-mail regardless of its nature.
2. I now have very good reason to suspect that at least one copy of LOOP that I have received, again unsolicited, was directly as a result of this transaction with Flightstore. If Flightstore assure me this is not the case then I will apologise unequivocally for THIS suggestion however given the very specific content of the address involved, I remain to be convinced.
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Well this is where my email came from:
"Dave Calderwood" <[email protected]>
That doesn't look like a Flightstore server to me, and my email programme, rightly, flagged it as spam.
Now, obviously I am as concerned about GA in the country as everyone else, and have written to MP using the draft letter available on another thread. But I think Loop may not be totally adhering to the Data Protection Act at the moment - something my company would get absolutely screwed for disregarding. I know it's an important issue, but I wonder if Loop's enthusiasm for the subject is colouring their thinking a little...
"Dave Calderwood" <[email protected]>
That doesn't look like a Flightstore server to me, and my email programme, rightly, flagged it as spam.
Now, obviously I am as concerned about GA in the country as everyone else, and have written to MP using the draft letter available on another thread. But I think Loop may not be totally adhering to the Data Protection Act at the moment - something my company would get absolutely screwed for disregarding. I know it's an important issue, but I wonder if Loop's enthusiasm for the subject is colouring their thinking a little...
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dw,
Is that perhaps just the reply email address? The email could still have originated from the flightstore servers; it's very easy to present a different From/Reply address than that from which the email actually came. This may have been done to make it easier to reply to the email directly?
Is that perhaps just the reply email address? The email could still have originated from the flightstore servers; it's very easy to present a different From/Reply address than that from which the email actually came. This may have been done to make it easier to reply to the email directly?
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dwshimoda,
Where an e-mail says it's from, and what servers actually sent it are two totally separate things. I could quite legally and easily send you an e-mail purporting to come from [email protected] if I desired.
Rgds,
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Where an e-mail says it's from, and what servers actually sent it are two totally separate things. I could quite legally and easily send you an e-mail purporting to come from [email protected] if I desired.
Rgds,
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I could quite legally and easily send you an e-mail purporting to come from if I desired
, so how do I find out who is behind the email, or is not that simple? Just curious as I did not know that.DW
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Your email program should allow you to view the actual headers of the email, where you can see the originating servers. It'll be hidden in a right click menu somewhere...depends on the email client.
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right even when I am wrong.................
Originally Posted by dwshimoda
Well this is where my email came from:
"Dave Calderwood" <[email protected]>
"Dave Calderwood" <[email protected]>
TC_LTN, you are coming across as a petty individual who does not have the gumption to admit you made a mistake.
Now, what's the best way to Balaclava????
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