What's a wingover?
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 1,639
Likes: 0
From: TL487591
Pull the aircraft up into a steep climb, as the speed decays, start banking upto and past 90 degrees and as the nose falls through, roll off the bank and pull out of the dive facing in the direction you came from.
In a nutshell.
In a nutshell.
Thread Starter
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 437
Likes: 0
From: Far East
Thanks 2 donks. Presumably when you pull out of the dive you have changed your heading by a considerable ammount?
Also, I assume during the banking you are at 1g or less since you let the nose drop?
Done similar things but not just wasn't certain what people mean when they say 'wingover'.
Also, I assume during the banking you are at 1g or less since you let the nose drop?
Done similar things but not just wasn't certain what people mean when they say 'wingover'.
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
From: Lincs
R3585
Isn't that the sick making one evident in some a/c types in S&L flight when trimmed out controls are disturbed?
A bit like being on a boat traversing the swell at 45 deg.
Yaw, Roll, Pitch and Reverse Yaw, Roll, Pitch. etc. etc.
Remember being on a Jetstream at Cranfield mid '70s which did it quite nicely.
Isn't that the sick making one evident in some a/c types in S&L flight when trimmed out controls are disturbed?
A bit like being on a boat traversing the swell at 45 deg.
Yaw, Roll, Pitch and Reverse Yaw, Roll, Pitch. etc. etc.
Remember being on a Jetstream at Cranfield mid '70s which did it quite nicely.
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,966
Likes: 0
From: Norfolk
Wingover - caution
A wingover is exactly as described by 2d - but do be careful, low level w/o's have bitten their fair share of tyro's! They have also bitten a few "experienced" folk - RAF Nimrod in Canada a few years ago.
It is really imperative that one watches the angle of bank as one approaches the "halfway point" - at this point ideally you'd want to be positive approaching knife edge, NOT negative!
Was very surprised to see the maneouver in the BAeA (beginner/std)) sequence a year or two ago.
Stik
It is really imperative that one watches the angle of bank as one approaches the "halfway point" - at this point ideally you'd want to be positive approaching knife edge, NOT negative!
Was very surprised to see the maneouver in the BAeA (beginner/std)) sequence a year or two ago.
Stik
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,684
Likes: 3
From: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
'cos it ain't in the CIVA Aresti catalogue as a power figure, hence isn't in International power aerobatic competitions.
It is in domestic Glider aerobatic competitions as a widening of the repertoire at Sports and Intermediate, as are varieties of quarter clovers, where machines and pilots can't do some of the figures at Unlimited Glider.
However, both these figures DO have a place in Beginners/Standard power domestic comps., for similar reasons. They provide useful co-ordination exercises without over-stressing pilot or machine and can be quite hard to do really well - sufficiently not to lose too many marks, anyway!
Cheers,
The Odd One
It is in domestic Glider aerobatic competitions as a widening of the repertoire at Sports and Intermediate, as are varieties of quarter clovers, where machines and pilots can't do some of the figures at Unlimited Glider.
However, both these figures DO have a place in Beginners/Standard power domestic comps., for similar reasons. They provide useful co-ordination exercises without over-stressing pilot or machine and can be quite hard to do really well - sufficiently not to lose too many marks, anyway!
Cheers,
The Odd One
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
From: NW England
Interesting.
So what do you call the same manoevre when you initiate the turn by use of rudder?
i have found this a particularly satisfying manoevre to turn through 180 degrees and often practice it trying not to lose height and resulting in exactly a reciprocal heading.
I don't know if it has a name, I just presumed it was a wing over, because that is what seemed to happen - seemingly not.
So what do you call the same manoevre when you initiate the turn by use of rudder?
i have found this a particularly satisfying manoevre to turn through 180 degrees and often practice it trying not to lose height and resulting in exactly a reciprocal heading.
I don't know if it has a name, I just presumed it was a wing over, because that is what seemed to happen - seemingly not.
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 434
Likes: 0
From: Brighton, UK
tony are you sure you are not talking about a stall turn?
Rather different in that a wingover is executed from a steep climb and the ailerons are the main instigator of the manouevre and a stall turn is executed from a vertical pull up, bleeding off speed before using rudder (with secondary small aileron input) to turn and point downward.
.......... remembering to reduce the throttle (on a fixed pitch prop) accordingly as the nose falls through the horizon or you will over rev on the ensuing dive.
Rather different in that a wingover is executed from a steep climb and the ailerons are the main instigator of the manouevre and a stall turn is executed from a vertical pull up, bleeding off speed before using rudder (with secondary small aileron input) to turn and point downward.
Pull the aircraft up into a steep climb, as the speed decays, start banking upto and past 90 degrees and as the nose falls through, roll off the bank and pull out of the dive facing in the direction you came from.
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
From: England
Sounds like what was once described to me as a "Bridge".
Similar to a stall turn, but the rudder is applied earlier and the resulting yaw takes the aeroplane around a much wider arc.
Stall turns, officially, should pivot about a point within the wingspan and ideally about the CoG. Can't say that all (any?) of mine are that good though!
Similar to a stall turn, but the rudder is applied earlier and the resulting yaw takes the aeroplane around a much wider arc.
Stall turns, officially, should pivot about a point within the wingspan and ideally about the CoG. Can't say that all (any?) of mine are that good though!
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 1,639
Likes: 0
From: TL487591
Similar to a stall turn, but the rudder is applied earlier and the resulting yaw takes the aeroplane around a much wider arc.
Performing a wingover, the aircraft doesn't (or shouldn't) stall and rudder use (although type specific) doesn't really come into it.
2D
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 1,639
Likes: 0
From: TL487591
A Chandelle is nothing like a Wingover.
A Chandelle is a continuous maximum performance climbing turn rolling out onto the reciprocal heading just about the stall.
If you want to think in terms of Americanisms, think of a Wingover as half a lazy eight.
A Chandelle is a continuous maximum performance climbing turn rolling out onto the reciprocal heading just about the stall.
If you want to think in terms of Americanisms, think of a Wingover as half a lazy eight.
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
From: UK
Dont mean to hijack the thread, but is there a web site with diagrams/descriptions of aerobatic manouvers ?? I am interested in taking an aerobatics course and would like to have more of an idea before undertaking the course. Cheers, Russ. 
