Pa28-140 - help again, pse
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Stik
One thing I found that could transform the handling "pleasure" of a Warrior was to keep a can of Teflon / PTFE spray in my headset bag for the yoke shafts. If they get dry they will tend to bind and judder in operation which I found irritating in the extreme.
W
One thing I found that could transform the handling "pleasure" of a Warrior was to keep a can of Teflon / PTFE spray in my headset bag for the yoke shafts. If they get dry they will tend to bind and judder in operation which I found irritating in the extreme.
W
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First thing yesterday morning, 18 minutes logged in a Pa28 (oh joy of joys!) All totally uneventful including two T&Gs at a BIG international airport.
I wasn't even late for registration when I got to school!
Stik
I wasn't even late for registration when I got to school!
Stik
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Agree on the Teflon - nothing ruins your landing more than pulling back, nothing happening, then whoosh! the yoke unsticks and the nose shoots up.
Beware the last stage of flaps, too, on the Hershey-bar style wings (i.e. not the Warriors): rightly are they known as drag flaps. I remember an instructor turning white when I selected full flap on final to Le2k in a Cherokee 180 - he said afterwards that he'd had bad experiences with students before doing that, not realising the airspeed was decaying rapidly, and he'd been expecting to have to swim for it... Fortunately I'd flown that ac plenty of times and knew that a handful of power is required if you want full flap. These days I wouldn't bother with somewhere as big as Le2k, but in those days I flew by the book more.
Tim
Beware the last stage of flaps, too, on the Hershey-bar style wings (i.e. not the Warriors): rightly are they known as drag flaps. I remember an instructor turning white when I selected full flap on final to Le2k in a Cherokee 180 - he said afterwards that he'd had bad experiences with students before doing that, not realising the airspeed was decaying rapidly, and he'd been expecting to have to swim for it... Fortunately I'd flown that ac plenty of times and knew that a handful of power is required if you want full flap. These days I wouldn't bother with somewhere as big as Le2k, but in those days I flew by the book more.
Tim
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Good aren't they, Stik? I let one lead when I was in a Warrior for a formation take off, both 2 up with 40 gallons, assuming I would have to watch the power not to overtake; we couldn't even keep up! Much nicer handling too with that wing.
I can land a 140 reliably in the first 300m at Bournemouth, to taxi off at Echo. BEagle is correct in his list of the faults. I would add that I have had carb icing at cruise power. Visibility was about 4000m and it cleared easily with carb heat. The flap is certainly not a fault, the PA-28s and the T67 have the best flaps I have used.
I can land a 140 reliably in the first 300m at Bournemouth, to taxi off at Echo. BEagle is correct in his list of the faults. I would add that I have had carb icing at cruise power. Visibility was about 4000m and it cleared easily with carb heat. The flap is certainly not a fault, the PA-28s and the T67 have the best flaps I have used.
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Good aren't they, Stik?
Good is not a word that I'd have immediately chosen:
ugly, unremarkable, pedestrian, benign, docile, underpowered, were the words that certainly did spring to mind during our very brief acquaintance!
However - it safely and without drama did what it said it would do and that can't be a bad thing!
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Hahaha
Well it depends on the comparrison. From fixed-wing I have flown it is not close to the Bulldog, Firefly, Grob 115D, Chipmunk, Yak-52, Arrow, Seminole or Duchess, but they are all out of its class. Of those it competes with I have flown, the C-150/152/172, the Warrior, Archer and the Robins only the Robin HR200 handles better and only the Archer and Robin DR400/180 have better performance with 2 POB. Considering this costs as little to operate (including financing purchase) as the HR200/120 or a good 152, this is not bad!
Well it depends on the comparrison. From fixed-wing I have flown it is not close to the Bulldog, Firefly, Grob 115D, Chipmunk, Yak-52, Arrow, Seminole or Duchess, but they are all out of its class. Of those it competes with I have flown, the C-150/152/172, the Warrior, Archer and the Robins only the Robin HR200 handles better and only the Archer and Robin DR400/180 have better performance with 2 POB. Considering this costs as little to operate (including financing purchase) as the HR200/120 or a good 152, this is not bad!
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PA28-140 Help
I believe it must be a thrill to go fly a little bird you`ve never seen before...no matter what, I believe it is wise to know a bit about it before then...What I`ll do for you is give you these off mt ol`e head..
Take-off safety speed....64 knots
Best Angle of Climb........63 knots
B.Rate of Cl.................. 79 "
Threshhold Speeds..powered Appch. 63K
(landing flap)
Glide.............................(flap app) 70
Flapless apch.....................................70
VNE......................160
Max Structural Cruise....................126
Max flap ext. ...................103
Basic Stall.........50
BS with flaps...49
Max demo`d crosswind.........17
Happy Thrill
The Sarge
Take-off safety speed....64 knots
Best Angle of Climb........63 knots
B.Rate of Cl.................. 79 "
Threshhold Speeds..powered Appch. 63K
(landing flap)
Glide.............................(flap app) 70
Flapless apch.....................................70
VNE......................160
Max Structural Cruise....................126
Max flap ext. ...................103
Basic Stall.........50
BS with flaps...49
Max demo`d crosswind.........17
Happy Thrill
The Sarge
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Flipping heck Sarge, your Pprune name is perfect - you live in the past!
The only flight I ever hope to do in a Pa28 happened yesterday (unless I have to fly it back
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Useful numbers for many others, no doubt, though!
Stik
The only flight I ever hope to do in a Pa28 happened yesterday (unless I have to fly it back
)Useful numbers for many others, no doubt, though!
Stik
