Training fixes
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Interesting to see this subject has been covered in September's edition of a popular magazine beginning with P (in case that counts as advertsing
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It is interesting that the "expert" FIs seem to support practising calls to D and D and dont get "hung up" at all about admissions of being lost. Whilst I would say this, I thought they have the balance exactly right.
It still puzzles me why some of us seem to have this huge thing about pilots saying they are "lost". You call D and D either because you are lost, a bit lost, or want a training fix. I suspect it is all pretty irrelevant to them, they tell you where you are, and point you in the right direction if you need that as well.
)It is interesting that the "expert" FIs seem to support practising calls to D and D and dont get "hung up" at all about admissions of being lost. Whilst I would say this, I thought they have the balance exactly right.
It still puzzles me why some of us seem to have this huge thing about pilots saying they are "lost". You call D and D either because you are lost, a bit lost, or want a training fix. I suspect it is all pretty irrelevant to them, they tell you where you are, and point you in the right direction if you need that as well.
Last edited by Fuji Abound; 17th September 2005 at 07:24.
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Well said, Fuji. Long may that continue.
And long may airline pilots learn how to operate their radios correctly, too.
And long may airline pilots learn how to operate their radios correctly, too.
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Say again s l o w l y
Back after a while, just read your post about the DA40 avionics.
I'd say a 2 day course should be mandatory not only for the more integrated "glass cockpits" but for anything as complex as a GNS430/530/KLN94 etc.
The glass cockpit just integrates the stuff into one display unit.
I suppose that nothing happens because people learn it as they go along. That's what I did, but it wasted a lot of time.
I did a Honeywell GPS training course once but very little of it rubbed off, because the instructor just worked through the features, rather than how to use them for real IFR flight. And some of it one isn't ever likely to use, e.g. the specific features for automated sequencing along a GPS approach, or flying back course localisers.
These debates will run and run, because GPS can never be included in the 45hr PPL.
Back after a while, just read your post about the DA40 avionics.
I'd say a 2 day course should be mandatory not only for the more integrated "glass cockpits" but for anything as complex as a GNS430/530/KLN94 etc.
The glass cockpit just integrates the stuff into one display unit.
I suppose that nothing happens because people learn it as they go along. That's what I did, but it wasted a lot of time.
I did a Honeywell GPS training course once but very little of it rubbed off, because the instructor just worked through the features, rather than how to use them for real IFR flight. And some of it one isn't ever likely to use, e.g. the specific features for automated sequencing along a GPS approach, or flying back course localisers.
These debates will run and run, because GPS can never be included in the 45hr PPL.
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Wow what a lot has been said about this... one of the oldest flying dits going. I've been involved in aviation for 30yrs, and it was one of the first stories I was told... along with the pilot on a solo navex who taxied out of sight behind the hangar, and watching his stop-watch reported back in the radio over each turning point on time... then taxied back into dispersal.
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Christ on a bike how hard is it to dial 121.5 and say the words "Pan Pan Pan I am lost"?!?!
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=17053
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Sorry been a long day , on the one hand WWW complaining about TF by PPL and on the other D&D pleading for work!
What is a mere mortal PPL to do ?
Why is WWW so vexed when D&D are chilled!
What is a mere mortal PPL to do ?
Why is WWW so vexed when D&D are chilled!
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A nice, simple answer.
D&D say they want MORE traffic for their trainees to practice with. They also say they get an average of fewer than 9 training fixes/practice pans a day. They should know - they keep the statistics.
It's just a pity that all 9 come in a rush and in Wales, I suppose.
D&D say they want MORE traffic for their trainees to practice with. They also say they get an average of fewer than 9 training fixes/practice pans a day. They should know - they keep the statistics.
It's just a pity that all 9 come in a rush and in Wales, I suppose.
