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From: cambridge
thrill seeker
30mph on a go cart seems quite fast. 70mph in a Mondeo is a similar sensation now the distance eye-ground has increased.
But 125kts at 1000 ft in a light aircraft and 450kts at 35000ft in the heavy iron and that feeling of speed is muted.
So how about flying low over the sea for that "going quite quick" feeling. Is it dangerous, and how low before it gets really silly?
But 125kts at 1000 ft in a light aircraft and 450kts at 35000ft in the heavy iron and that feeling of speed is muted.
So how about flying low over the sea for that "going quite quick" feeling. Is it dangerous, and how low before it gets really silly?
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Obviously it's got far too silly when your wheels or your feet get wet. Just above that height is perfectly safe. 
For those willing to risk it - the deceleration caused by hitting water can be far more severe than hitting the ground - it effectively reaches up and grabs you!
For those willing to risk it - the deceleration caused by hitting water can be far more severe than hitting the ground - it effectively reaches up and grabs you!
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From: Den Haag
The novelty soon wears thin. You also become acclimatised to it and need to go faster or lower to achieve the same effect (reminds you of the old adverts "I could give up if I wanted to" ?)
Don't bother. Concentrate on something more useful; IR, Aeros, Formation?
Don't bother. Concentrate on something more useful; IR, Aeros, Formation?
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From: England
How far out, no rule just - 500' from any person place or thing (or vessel)3.
I once skipped down the coast at 500' for a few minutes. Having been used to 2500' for so long it seemed quick. I quickly recovered to a more sensible height when I thought about my engine out options.
I once skipped down the coast at 500' for a few minutes. Having been used to 2500' for so long it seemed quick. I quickly recovered to a more sensible height when I thought about my engine out options.
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From: Glen Prosen, Scotland
....or you could try the Scottish Highlands (Rannoch Moor is quite good. So I'm told) out of season, when the military aren't playing. You can quite legally fly around between the trees - both of them - as long as there aren't any ramblers about.
Not that I am in any way condoning or recommending such reckless, foolhardy and downright dangerous behaviour you understand. Perish the thought.
Not that I am in any way condoning or recommending such reckless, foolhardy and downright dangerous behaviour you understand. Perish the thought.
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From: Savannah GA & Portsmouth UK
My instructor used to enjoy it, however he always trimmed slightly nose high and flew at relatively fast. That way any relaxation on the controls will cause you to rise and there is less chance of a gust in the wrong direction causing you to momentarily lose height.
Personally I haven't felt the urge, mindful of the floatplane drivers' occaisonal difficulties in judging height by eye as well as AAIB reports.
I also wouln't recommend doing it like this
More info here and here
Mike
Personally I haven't felt the urge, mindful of the floatplane drivers' occaisonal difficulties in judging height by eye as well as AAIB reports.
I also wouln't recommend doing it like this
More info here and here
Mike
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From: Den Haag
The key warning flag that this thread raises is not about 'low flying', it's the bit about 'thrill seeking'. Now that should be worrying and if it's not, then that's even more worrying!
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I saw the error of my ways and gave up low flying over the sea after I had a nasty seagull strike.
Stupid of it to be swimming there, if you ask me...
Stupid of it to be swimming there, if you ask me...
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From: UK.
I agree with some of the comments already made. As part of my working life I spend a large proportion of my flying time below 500 feet, often very much below, in a twin engined turboprop.
The first few hours you do feels exciting and 'thrilling', but it does tend to become normal quite quickly. If the purpose of the low flying is for 'thrill seeking', there is a risk that you will push it as the novelty wears off.
The danger of birdstrikes is very high. I have had many close shaves but no hits at low level.
However I would also like to draw your attention to the possibility of fish strikes, yes fish strikes! I had a close shave with a large white fish dropped by a startled Gannet over the Minch (near the Outer Hebrides). This was witnessed by two others on board and the irony is we were the Scottish Fisheries Protection aircraft!
What an MOR that would have made.......
CRX
The first few hours you do feels exciting and 'thrilling', but it does tend to become normal quite quickly. If the purpose of the low flying is for 'thrill seeking', there is a risk that you will push it as the novelty wears off.
The danger of birdstrikes is very high. I have had many close shaves but no hits at low level.
However I would also like to draw your attention to the possibility of fish strikes, yes fish strikes! I had a close shave with a large white fish dropped by a startled Gannet over the Minch (near the Outer Hebrides). This was witnessed by two others on board and the irony is we were the Scottish Fisheries Protection aircraft!
What an MOR that would have made.......
CRX
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From: South West UK
Rushing around at low heights and high speed over the sea is very dangerous and if you have to ask how low how fast etc don't bother! Think about visial illusions created by (for example) large/small waves, long/short swell, tail/headwind (different IAS/G/S relatioship gives different perception of height) etc etc. Light aircraft don't have radalts and I cant reliably judge my height over the sea (I was a Navy pilot for 23 years).
Sorry to sound like a killjoy but I'd rather that than read about annother funeral. I lost several friends over my career in the Navy who flew just a little bit too low!
CRX is a professional pilot who will have had specific training in low level operations and I bet his aeroplane has a radalt, I also bet that if the radalt is U/S he has pretty strict ilmits on his minimum height!
Happy landings
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Sorry to sound like a killjoy but I'd rather that than read about annother funeral. I lost several friends over my career in the Navy who flew just a little bit too low!
CRX is a professional pilot who will have had specific training in low level operations and I bet his aeroplane has a radalt, I also bet that if the radalt is U/S he has pretty strict ilmits on his minimum height!
Happy landings
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From: Richard Burtonville, South Wales.
As a puma helicopter crewman for about 1600 hours worth, I became acutely aware of the difference between working in the weeds, which we briefed and trained for; and having a pilot play in them.
The hairs on the back of your neck really worked!
We briefed to 50' in military training areas, and 100' in others. You can't relax when at that height and 140Kts- go play twixt the trees and find at your peril that some army guy has strung a wire across the gap for his comms set.
CG
The hairs on the back of your neck really worked!
We briefed to 50' in military training areas, and 100' in others. You can't relax when at that height and 140Kts- go play twixt the trees and find at your peril that some army guy has strung a wire across the gap for his comms set.
CG
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From: Den Haag
Nice to se a consensus of opinion from the 'pros' (but then would be surprised not too!)
I too was going to mention fish strikes, but flying fish! Worse still, had some time flying in an area where, at the wrong time of year, it wasn't uncommon to have whales 'pop' up unexpectedly; now that would really hurt (if you were flying at low level, which of course we weren't)!
Seriously, as has been said, flying at low level over water/mud flats is not to be taken lightly and is a fraught activity for the untrained. It's not for no reason that landings were the greatest cause of accidents for flying boat pilots.
I too was going to mention fish strikes, but flying fish! Worse still, had some time flying in an area where, at the wrong time of year, it wasn't uncommon to have whales 'pop' up unexpectedly; now that would really hurt (if you were flying at low level, which of course we weren't)!
Seriously, as has been said, flying at low level over water/mud flats is not to be taken lightly and is a fraught activity for the untrained. It's not for no reason that landings were the greatest cause of accidents for flying boat pilots.
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From: New South Wales
How about this low?
http://supercub.org/gallery/view_pho...id=Mark_Denny5
I firmly believe it is every pilot's prerogative to go and kill themselves with tricks like this, as long as they are on their own and don't take any bystanders with them.
I am all for safety in its place, but the debates which take place on here sometimes remind me of the argy-bargy which took place in the golden age of moutaineering in the 1860s and 1870s about mountain climbing and how it was outrageous that anyone should dare to take up any such irresponsible and dangerous pastime for 'no good reason'.
Well, piffle. Nowadays, people go solo rock climbing with no protection without any criticism.
Go and have a good time in your aircraft and, if you kill yourself in the process, so be it. (As long as you don't take anyone else with you.)
QDM
http://supercub.org/gallery/view_pho...id=Mark_Denny5
I firmly believe it is every pilot's prerogative to go and kill themselves with tricks like this, as long as they are on their own and don't take any bystanders with them.
I am all for safety in its place, but the debates which take place on here sometimes remind me of the argy-bargy which took place in the golden age of moutaineering in the 1860s and 1870s about mountain climbing and how it was outrageous that anyone should dare to take up any such irresponsible and dangerous pastime for 'no good reason'.
Well, piffle. Nowadays, people go solo rock climbing with no protection without any criticism.
Go and have a good time in your aircraft and, if you kill yourself in the process, so be it. (As long as you don't take anyone else with you.)
QDM
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From: Temporarily Unaware......
Well QFKQFKQFK make sure you are sharp with your nautical flag recoginition so you crash clear of divers
Best buzz ever low away from houses over sea....
Still be safe and crash near a boat tho.
Still always wish people would fly by ferries like i know people do it so dull otherwise....
Safe and high..
F.
Best buzz ever low away from houses over sea....
Still be safe and crash near a boat tho.
Still always wish people would fly by ferries like i know people do
it so dull otherwise....Safe and high..
F.