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Why should it require half an hour to 'read the manual'? That implies that the system is insufficiently intuitive.
If anything it implies there's a lot of information that can be filtered in a myriad different ways depending on what you want out of it - like any good toolset.
Anyone who has bothered to get to grips with the interface has probably saved their "favorites" and can self brief in less time than it took to write this reply
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And WTF is 'route syntax'? Plain English please, not geekspeak!
Syntax, noun, the grammatical arrangement of words in a sentence
From the Latin syntaxis or the Greek suntaxis.
In the case of the AIS website the arrangement of words in the route box (i.e. it's syntax) follows the same rules that apply to an ICAO Flight Plan Route.
Acceptable
Navaid Identifier eg: POL - Polehill VOR
Airways Waypoint eg: FAWBO
Radial & Distance from a Navaid eg: SAM180030
LAT & LONG 7 character eg: 54N001W
LAT & LONG 11 character eg: 5430N00130W
Airways Route: can be used if flying IFR on an ATS route
NOT acceptable
ICAO/IATA/AIS Airport Location Indicators
Visual Reporting Points (VRP): Use LAT & LONG
Remember to start the Route box/field with DCT and place DCT between Route points and finally DCT at the end.
Alles klaar?
Mike
OK - But 'Enter Route in ICAO Flight Plan format' might be a simpler instruction. I do know what 'syntax' means, but I've never heard of it in the context of 'route syntax'.
Geek is a word in the new Oxford Dictionary.
Suntaxis are "Cor blimey, peeps is wha' cousin Stavros drive tourists round Asbestos, Domestos, Argos and Pathos in, innit' mate"! Syntaxis - or even better, Sin taxis, sound much more fun.
Shall now invent an imaginary 'square' route which will generate a NOTAM summary for my local area and save it as a 'favourite'.
Danke!
Geek is a word in the new Oxford Dictionary.
Suntaxis are "Cor blimey, peeps is wha' cousin Stavros drive tourists round Asbestos, Domestos, Argos and Pathos in, innit' mate"! Syntaxis - or even better, Sin taxis, sound much more fun.
Shall now invent an imaginary 'square' route which will generate a NOTAM summary for my local area and save it as a 'favourite'.
Danke!
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Don't do a square route, there's an easier way.
Pick two a/d with ICAO codes that straddle the area you want to brief for, i.e. the area you want to brief for sits in beween them.
Use them as your departure and arrival a/d
Draw a line between them and decide how much either side of this line you want the info for. Set this as your Narrow Route Width.
For example up near the top left of the southern half mil is a microlight site at Otherton, it lies between Cosford and Tatenhill, which are around 20nm apart. set a narrow route width of 10nm and you've defined a 400 square mile box between them.
If there are any aerodromes within the area that you want NOTAM for then set them as alternates.
Fill in the Briefing id as something meaningful, e.g. Local.
Any time you want to use it go to the Briefing Handbook and re-use it, it will be listed under the name you chose.
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Pick two a/d with ICAO codes that straddle the area you want to brief for, i.e. the area you want to brief for sits in beween them.
Use them as your departure and arrival a/d
Draw a line between them and decide how much either side of this line you want the info for. Set this as your Narrow Route Width.
For example up near the top left of the southern half mil is a microlight site at Otherton, it lies between Cosford and Tatenhill, which are around 20nm apart. set a narrow route width of 10nm and you've defined a 400 square mile box between them.
If there are any aerodromes within the area that you want NOTAM for then set them as alternates.
Fill in the Briefing id as something meaningful, e.g. Local.
Any time you want to use it go to the Briefing Handbook and re-use it, it will be listed under the name you chose.
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Theres a lot of critism on this thread. So I would like to be positive and say Thank You to the likes of Mike Cross and the gentleman who wrote the brilliant NotamPlot (whose name I've temporarily forgotten).
The situation is not perfect from the VFR/PPL standpoint. But it has been greatly enhanced from the position we were in before. We should be grateful to those who further the development of these systems for our benefit.
The situation is not perfect from the VFR/PPL standpoint. But it has been greatly enhanced from the position we were in before. We should be grateful to those who further the development of these systems for our benefit.
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Am I being a muppet? I'm told that the AIS site can do briefings covering other FIR's, but try as I might I just get the error "only EG locations are allowed" for all airfields and FIR's I enter.
Tried to do one for EGTR to LFAT the other day and ended up having to use AIS one to the coast and then an OLIVIA one.
Any help much appreciated.
Duncan
Tried to do one for EGTR to LFAT the other day and ended up having to use AIS one to the coast and then an OLIVIA one.
Any help much appreciated.
Duncan
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It may be because when you set up your AIS account you selected "UK FIR only".
You need multiple FIR access.
You cannot change your current access.
You need a new logon.
Anyone getting the feeling of deja vu?
You need multiple FIR access.
You cannot change your current access.
You need a new logon.
Anyone getting the feeling of deja vu?
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Folks,
If you wish to change your account from UK only to UK and Foreign, could I suggest that you email the ais supervisor and request that yout account be changed rather than reregister. By doing it this way you can still keep all your prvious brieinfs in yourhandbook and you don't confuese yourself with having two passwords for two accounts.
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If you wish to change your account from UK only to UK and Foreign, could I suggest that you email the ais supervisor and request that yout account be changed rather than reregister. By doing it this way you can still keep all your prvious brieinfs in yourhandbook and you don't confuese yourself with having two passwords for two accounts.
Regards
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This morning the Red Arrow flew into Biggin for a 'private' visit/display? When I try a narrow route brief starting at EGKB I dont seem to be able to get anything posted for this even if I try and back date the query. Am I driving it incorrectly or was it notamed?
MAF
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I found
B)05/05/14 09:45 UTC C)05/05/15 17:15 NAVW (H1003/05)
E)AUS 05-05-0023/1089/AS1
AIR DISPLAY. AEROBATIC DISPLAYS WI 5NM RADIUS 5121N 00016E (BRANDS
HATCH). POC ON THE DAY 07774 816942. AUS ACN 05-05-0023 REFERS.
F)SFC G)2400FT AGL
in under 10 secs on Notamcheck just now.
BTW I don't have any connection with Notamcheck, I'm just having a mank on another thread.
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HnH
I found
B)05/05/14 09:45 UTC C)05/05/15 17:15 NAVW (H1003/05)
E)AUS 05-05-0023/1089/AS1
AIR DISPLAY. AEROBATIC DISPLAYS WI 5NM RADIUS 5121N 00016E (BRANDS
HATCH). POC ON THE DAY 07774 816942. AUS ACN 05-05-0023 REFERS.
F)SFC G)2400FT AGL
in under 10 secs on Notamcheck just now.
BTW I don't have any connection with Notamcheck, I'm just having a mank on another thread.
regards
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I saw this but the dates are for the weekend? And I think that the Arrow are here...
Saturday
14-May-05
The Ulster VE Day Airshow, Newtonards
Northern Ireland
Sunday
15-May-05
Enniskillen AIr Show
Northern Ireland
They were at Biggin this am as I had heard that egkb was effectively closed. Also Mrs Max texted me to say she saw them fly over. But the notam ?
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I saw this but the dates are for the weekend? And I think that the Arrow are here...
Saturday
14-May-05
The Ulster VE Day Airshow, Newtonards
Northern Ireland
Sunday
15-May-05
Enniskillen AIr Show
Northern Ireland
They were at Biggin this am as I had heard that egkb was effectively closed. Also Mrs Max texted me to say she saw them fly over. But the notam ?
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AIS info line reports a temporary restriction at Biggin earlier today 6nm 2400' from 10:25 to 10:57.
I was curious to see if I could specify a time in the past in the narrow brief?
MAF
I was curious to see if I could specify a time in the past in the narrow brief?
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Here's the NOTAM from the AIS website yesterday
It had been there since April 20th.
Generally speaking people can't travel back in time, so you cannot find NOTAMs from earlier unless they're still effective. Since this one expired at 10:57 and was not extended it disappeared from the briefings. Imagine the whining if it was still there and people had to read past it at 1500
J1680/05
A)EGKB B)0505121025 C)0505121057
E)AUS 05-05-0020/1035/AS1
TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AIRSPACE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED UNDER ARTICLE 85 OF THE
ANO 2000 FOR A RED ARROWS DISPLAY WI 6NM RAD 5120N 00002E (BIGGIN HILL)UP TO
2400FT AMSL. AIC 15/2005 (MAUVE 139) AND AUS CAN 05-05-0020 DATED 20 APRIL
05 REFER.
F)SFC G)2400FT AMSL
A)EGKB B)0505121025 C)0505121057
E)AUS 05-05-0020/1035/AS1
TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AIRSPACE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED UNDER ARTICLE 85 OF THE
ANO 2000 FOR A RED ARROWS DISPLAY WI 6NM RAD 5120N 00002E (BIGGIN HILL)UP TO
2400FT AMSL. AIC 15/2005 (MAUVE 139) AND AUS CAN 05-05-0020 DATED 20 APRIL
05 REFER.
F)SFC G)2400FT AMSL
Generally speaking people can't travel back in time, so you cannot find NOTAMs from earlier unless they're still effective. Since this one expired at 10:57 and was not extended it disappeared from the briefings. Imagine the whining if it was still there and people had to read past it at 1500
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Mike Cross,
We fly up to 12 different sectors a day, sometimes more, not often on repetitive tracks. We often need to read the whole NOTAM brief for the UK. In an attempt to help us cut down wasted time, I requested about 9 months ago that airfields / ATZs included in NOTAM are actually named in para (e) rather than just indicated by their ICAO code letters in para (a). If they are not named, it means looking up what the airfield is. After over 30 years of flying, I still haven't memorised the minor ones.
I was told that this would be "trialled" at the end of last year. It wasn't satisfactorily explained why it was difficult to implement, but the trial never seemed to happen in any event.
Please can this be done?
In the post above, the quoted NOTAM shows EGKB in para (a) and "Biggin Hill" in para (e) - so it CAN be done. I did know where EGKB is though!
We fly up to 12 different sectors a day, sometimes more, not often on repetitive tracks. We often need to read the whole NOTAM brief for the UK. In an attempt to help us cut down wasted time, I requested about 9 months ago that airfields / ATZs included in NOTAM are actually named in para (e) rather than just indicated by their ICAO code letters in para (a). If they are not named, it means looking up what the airfield is. After over 30 years of flying, I still haven't memorised the minor ones.
I was told that this would be "trialled" at the end of last year. It wasn't satisfactorily explained why it was difficult to implement, but the trial never seemed to happen in any event.
Please can this be done?
In the post above, the quoted NOTAM shows EGKB in para (a) and "Biggin Hill" in para (e) - so it CAN be done. I did know where EGKB is though!
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I'm not from AIS, just a PPL who has been working with them on some of the problems.
Content of the E line is down to the originator of the NOTAM. AIS are not the originators, they just publish them. Nor are they policy making. That role is down to the CAA's Directorate of Airspace Policy. AIS is part of NATS, which is the agency CAA has licensed to provide the service. While AIS may suggest originators include the a/d name it won't go in there as of right unless CAA/DAP make a ruling to that effect. AIS also work to a set of policy rules known as OPADD (Operational Procedures for AIS Dynamic Data) OPADD is a European set of standards designed to comply with ICAO SARPS (Standards and Recommended Practices). As you will gather from all of this it is important that all AIS's adhere to common standards. Details of OPADD here.
ICAO designators are preferred because they are unique while aerodrome names are not.
If you fly repetitive sectors try naming them using the Briefing ID, then you can pull them straight out of the Briefing Handbook and re-use them.
On the other hand if you work in a limited geographic area rather than the entire FIR then try defining a local area using the technique I've outlined earlier in this thread.
Mike
I'm not from AIS, just a PPL who has been working with them on some of the problems.
Content of the E line is down to the originator of the NOTAM. AIS are not the originators, they just publish them. Nor are they policy making. That role is down to the CAA's Directorate of Airspace Policy. AIS is part of NATS, which is the agency CAA has licensed to provide the service. While AIS may suggest originators include the a/d name it won't go in there as of right unless CAA/DAP make a ruling to that effect. AIS also work to a set of policy rules known as OPADD (Operational Procedures for AIS Dynamic Data) OPADD is a European set of standards designed to comply with ICAO SARPS (Standards and Recommended Practices). As you will gather from all of this it is important that all AIS's adhere to common standards. Details of OPADD here.
ICAO designators are preferred because they are unique while aerodrome names are not.
If you fly repetitive sectors try naming them using the Briefing ID, then you can pull them straight out of the Briefing Handbook and re-use them.
On the other hand if you work in a limited geographic area rather than the entire FIR then try defining a local area using the technique I've outlined earlier in this thread.
Mike
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Mike,
Thanks for the reply and I now understand your involvement better. I have only re-discovered the thread this evening.
My point is that NOTAMS are for aviators, not rule makers so why make it difficult because of some rule or other? Some NOTAM originaters DO supply the airfield name as well as the ICAO - so why can this not be added in all relevant cases?
I note your advice but as i said, we DON'T often fly repetitive sectors. Unfortunately we need to trawl through the whole lot most days, sometimes both FIRs, hence my comment about not being able to memorise the locations from an ICAO code.
We rarely get to sit down and plan a day's flying in advance, it is a "fluid" programme.
Regards,
ShyT
Thanks for the reply and I now understand your involvement better. I have only re-discovered the thread this evening.
My point is that NOTAMS are for aviators, not rule makers so why make it difficult because of some rule or other? Some NOTAM originaters DO supply the airfield name as well as the ICAO - so why can this not be added in all relevant cases?
I note your advice but as i said, we DON'T often fly repetitive sectors. Unfortunately we need to trawl through the whole lot most days, sometimes both FIRs, hence my comment about not being able to memorise the locations from an ICAO code.
We rarely get to sit down and plan a day's flying in advance, it is a "fluid" programme.
Regards,
ShyT