Parachutist dropping
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Parachutist dropping
Hey ppl
Another of my dumb questions! I gather that PPL's are in fact allowed to do parachute dropping flights, and this is something that really interests me. Is this a realistic ambition, or is it mainly CPL's who do this sort of work? Anybody know of places who need para dropping pilots (preferably up North)? Any info appreciated.
Cheers big ears,
ETC
Another of my dumb questions! I gather that PPL's are in fact allowed to do parachute dropping flights, and this is something that really interests me. Is this a realistic ambition, or is it mainly CPL's who do this sort of work? Anybody know of places who need para dropping pilots (preferably up North)? Any info appreciated.
Cheers big ears,
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You can do it on a PPL as long as you don't get paid. As soon as you get paid (hire and reward) you need a CPL. Call up the clubs and ask. If you learn to jump they may be keener to take you on.
You can also tow gliders, tow banners and instruct on a PPL. Good luck.
You can also tow gliders, tow banners and instruct on a PPL. Good luck.
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18greens,
Can you REALLY instruct on a PPL licence?? I read in the Jeremy Pratt Air Law book, that "even if your mate is a BA 747 Captain, he cannot instruct without an instructors rating".
Maybe I misunderstood......perhaps a PPL holder can get such an instructors rating, though I thought it could only be achieved with a CPL.
I'm confused now!
Can you REALLY instruct on a PPL licence?? I read in the Jeremy Pratt Air Law book, that "even if your mate is a BA 747 Captain, he cannot instruct without an instructors rating".
Maybe I misunderstood......perhaps a PPL holder can get such an instructors rating, though I thought it could only be achieved with a CPL.
I'm confused now!
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From what in understand yes you can instruct on a PPL provided you have an instructor rating. But you CANNOT earn money on a PPL.
That's why instructor's have CPL's so that they can earn. Some Guy's just do the instruction on their PPL to keep current.
That's why instructor's have CPL's so that they can earn. Some Guy's just do the instruction on their PPL to keep current.
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As soon as you get paid (hire and reward) you need a CPL
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Why not learn to jump, its got to be fun. Another thing on my list of thing to do when I get the time and the money.
As for the servicable aircraft comment, every meat bomb will remind you there is no such thing as a servicable aircraft.
As for the servicable aircraft comment, every meat bomb will remind you there is no such thing as a servicable aircraft.
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You can instruct with a PPL in two ways...
1) You got your instructor's rating in the old days via the BCPL and instructor's rating route, and now have grandfather rights. You can instruct and be paid. There are still quite a lot of instructors like that around.
2) You prove that you have CPL theoretical knowledge, which effectively means you pass the CPL ground exams. You then do the FI course and pass a Class 1 medical. A lot of people think you don't need a class 1 for this route, but I know someone who's been looking into it, and found that you definitely do (anyone know different, please let us know). You can then instruct, but not be paid. Since the only difference is that you haven't done the CPL flying, there's little point. But it CAN be done.
1) You got your instructor's rating in the old days via the BCPL and instructor's rating route, and now have grandfather rights. You can instruct and be paid. There are still quite a lot of instructors like that around.
2) You prove that you have CPL theoretical knowledge, which effectively means you pass the CPL ground exams. You then do the FI course and pass a Class 1 medical. A lot of people think you don't need a class 1 for this route, but I know someone who's been looking into it, and found that you definitely do (anyone know different, please let us know). You can then instruct, but not be paid. Since the only difference is that you haven't done the CPL flying, there's little point. But it CAN be done.
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...that's not what it says on Page 293 of LASORS 2005.
I can't cut and paste but it says that you can instruct with a PPL(A) and a Class 2 medical...but cannot be paid.
I'd be very interested to know why your mate thinks he can't.
G
I can't cut and paste but it says that you can instruct with a PPL(A) and a Class 2 medical...but cannot be paid.
I'd be very interested to know why your mate thinks he can't.
G
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gijoe,
I just found the relevant bit, and it looks like you're right. But I remember going over this in detail some time ago...unfortunately I can't remember exactly why he (and I) thought otherwise. I'll have another read of LASORS and see what I can find, unless someone who's more familiar with the rules and regs lets us know for certain...BEagle, where are you when we need you?
I just found the relevant bit, and it looks like you're right. But I remember going over this in detail some time ago...unfortunately I can't remember exactly why he (and I) thought otherwise. I'll have another read of LASORS and see what I can find, unless someone who's more familiar with the rules and regs lets us know for certain...BEagle, where are you when we need you?
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I am not a legal expert, but as far as glider towing is concerned, I believe it works as follows.
Most gliding clubs are not commercial concerns - they are members clubs which one way or another have all full members jointly owning the club's assets including the towplane(s) (usually through some form of Limited Company in which all have an equal share, or are deemed to). Their financial transactions are legally regarded as the members trading among themselves, and so are not commercial.
Tow plane pilots therefore do not need commercial licences of any sort if they are not being paid.
I should have thought that many parachute clubs operate similarly.
For a PPL to come in from outside and get accepted as a parachute drop pilot (or glider tug pilot), however, may be a different matter. A lot of gliding clubs require them to join as gliding members and to have, or acquire, some gliding experience before tugging. I don't know if parachute clubs do the same - best to ring the one you are interested in and ask them.
Chris N.
Most gliding clubs are not commercial concerns - they are members clubs which one way or another have all full members jointly owning the club's assets including the towplane(s) (usually through some form of Limited Company in which all have an equal share, or are deemed to). Their financial transactions are legally regarded as the members trading among themselves, and so are not commercial.
Tow plane pilots therefore do not need commercial licences of any sort if they are not being paid.
I should have thought that many parachute clubs operate similarly.
For a PPL to come in from outside and get accepted as a parachute drop pilot (or glider tug pilot), however, may be a different matter. A lot of gliding clubs require them to join as gliding members and to have, or acquire, some gliding experience before tugging. I don't know if parachute clubs do the same - best to ring the one you are interested in and ask them.
Chris N.
