Too Fat to Fit?
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A year or so ago I worked out what losing 5 kilos would mean in extra fuel two-up in a 152, so I lost 5 kilos.
Then the club sold the 152s and replaced then with 172s ... which can take three adults and full tanks no problem, hence my incentive disappears and the next 5 kilos don't seem to be disappearing as I'd hoped ...
(In theory the election campaign helps - I'll walk more in a month than in the rest of the year put together - but in practice the extra exercise is outweighed by the extra curry (due to spending the evenings on the streets rather than cooking healthy food) and beer (due to all those, er, "campaign strategy meetings").)
Then the club sold the 152s and replaced then with 172s ... which can take three adults and full tanks no problem, hence my incentive disappears and the next 5 kilos don't seem to be disappearing as I'd hoped ...
(In theory the election campaign helps - I'll walk more in a month than in the rest of the year put together - but in practice the extra exercise is outweighed by the extra curry (due to spending the evenings on the streets rather than cooking healthy food) and beer (due to all those, er, "campaign strategy meetings").)
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My Rans S6 has a 430kg limit. This means I can carry 31stone with full fuel.
Not bad for a Microlight.
Les.
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Not bad for a Microlight.
Les.
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Wow - Perhaps not everyone's cup of tea but I like it. I saw one at Fly! in 2004 and liked the look of it - might have to get myself one.
Wow - Perhaps not everyone's cup of tea but I like it. I saw one at Fly! in 2004 and liked the look of it - might have to get myself one.
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This should be obvious, but anyone need one really good additional reason to ensure the aircraft is always flown within its design weight and balance limits?
If an aircraft flies overweight, or out of the published C of G envelope and an accident occurs, the insurance company will simply refuse to pay out. A CAA accident investigation will undoubtedly discover the weight and balance at the time of the accident, of course.
The pilot / captain is personally responsible in law for the safety of the flight. If the insurance company won't pay out and a passenger or a bereaved relative files a lawsuit, who is going to be paying from their own pocket?
Go figure.
If an aircraft flies overweight, or out of the published C of G envelope and an accident occurs, the insurance company will simply refuse to pay out. A CAA accident investigation will undoubtedly discover the weight and balance at the time of the accident, of course.
The pilot / captain is personally responsible in law for the safety of the flight. If the insurance company won't pay out and a passenger or a bereaved relative files a lawsuit, who is going to be paying from their own pocket?
Go figure.
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I've decided to save the money on gym membership and put it towards a bigger aircraft.
I know a simple question often sparks a debate on Pprune and I wasn't looking for definitive answers just interesting bits like:
and
Interesting to look at what different aircraft can allow you to do, also interesting to think about how small my passenger would have to be in an R22 or C152 - I'm not sure I could even join in on the "Take your Dog Flying" thread with some of the W&B issues raised.
Thanks.
I know a simple question often sparks a debate on Pprune and I wasn't looking for definitive answers just interesting bits like:
My Rans S6 has a 430kg limit. This means I can carry 31stone with full fuel.
R22 - full fuel plus 24 stone of people/luggage.
Thanks.
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JAFO,
Most people who fly the R22 two-up just fill the main tank, not the auxiliary as well. The last airfield I flew at, the refueller was always surprised when I arrived with a passenger and wanted both filled. It means you have to stop every couple of hours, but it's not a major problem.
It's much harder in a C150 with non-working fuel gauges.
Most people who fly the R22 two-up just fill the main tank, not the auxiliary as well. The last airfield I flew at, the refueller was always surprised when I arrived with a passenger and wanted both filled. It means you have to stop every couple of hours, but it's not a major problem.
It's much harder in a C150 with non-working fuel gauges.
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Thanks Whirly, I don't think I'd as much fly in a Robbo as wear it.
I know that occasionally when I've been in a 150 it's been on instructor's experience rather than carefully calculated W&B.
I can take a reasonable sized passenger and full fuel in a 150 it's just as the pax gets more healthily built (to use a non-sizeist euphemism) the fuel has to go down.
I know that occasionally when I've been in a 150 it's been on instructor's experience rather than carefully calculated W&B.
I can take a reasonable sized passenger and full fuel in a 150 it's just as the pax gets more healthily built (to use a non-sizeist euphemism) the fuel has to go down.
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My Rans S6 has a 430kg limit. This means I can carry 31stone with full fuel.
Just so you know, if you have a heavy passenger and wiegh a bit yourself, you might want a little ballast if you fly a 172. The reason is that at forward CG limits your elevator is going to run out of authority a little earler in the flare which could possibly lead to a firmer than normal landing.
