SEP Class Rating re-validation - Important!
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I am now totally confused!!!!!!!!!
I thought to revaildate your licence, you must have completed 11 hours flight experience as P1 within the second year and an hour flight with a flying instructor, who signs your log book. After which you can hand in your log book to be signed at a maximum of 3 months prior to expiry date.
This is right.
I thought to revaildate your licence, you must have completed 11 hours flight experience as P1 within the second year and an hour flight with a flying instructor, who signs your log book. After which you can hand in your log book to be signed at a maximum of 3 months prior to expiry date.
This is right.
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"I thought to revaildate your licence...."
No, it is your SEP Class Rating which must be re-validated, not your licence.
".., you must have completed 11 hours flight experience as P1 within the second year and an hour flight with a flying instructor, who signs your log book."
No, in the second 12 month period it is 12 hours flying of which 1 must be a Training Flight with a FI and 6 must be as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings.
"After which you can hand in your log book to be signed at a maximum of 3 months prior to expiry date."
No, the only log book signature required is that from the instructor who conducts the Training Flight. It is the Ratings - Certificate of Revalidation page in your licence which must be signed by the FE to whom you submit your LST/LPC SPA/MPA Form (SRG\1119).
This is right. No it isn't.
The issue in question is the CAA's incorrect interpretation of JAR-FCL 1 in requiring the FE's signatures within 3 months of the expiry date irrespective of when you actually completed the re-validation requirements. If you were to complete these requirements in the first month of the second 12 month period, why on earth should you have to wait another 8 months for a scribble on a couple of pieces of paper?
No, it is your SEP Class Rating which must be re-validated, not your licence.
".., you must have completed 11 hours flight experience as P1 within the second year and an hour flight with a flying instructor, who signs your log book."
No, in the second 12 month period it is 12 hours flying of which 1 must be a Training Flight with a FI and 6 must be as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings.
"After which you can hand in your log book to be signed at a maximum of 3 months prior to expiry date."
No, the only log book signature required is that from the instructor who conducts the Training Flight. It is the Ratings - Certificate of Revalidation page in your licence which must be signed by the FE to whom you submit your LST/LPC SPA/MPA Form (SRG\1119).
This is right. No it isn't.
The issue in question is the CAA's incorrect interpretation of JAR-FCL 1 in requiring the FE's signatures within 3 months of the expiry date irrespective of when you actually completed the re-validation requirements. If you were to complete these requirements in the first month of the second 12 month period, why on earth should you have to wait another 8 months for a scribble on a couple of pieces of paper?
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Thanks for clearing that for me, I've been doing it correctly in order to revalidate my rating but having the wrong information.
With regards to waiting the extra 8 months could it be to keep you being current, i.e. a single flight to Malaga and back will constitute of 12 hours. The trip could be done in one week, therefore in theory, having completed that flight it is not necessary to continuing flying until two years later, where your skills and reactions would have been reduce. By making you wait, you’re continuing to fly and increase your 12 hours. Isn’t 12 hours a minimum??
With regards to waiting the extra 8 months could it be to keep you being current, i.e. a single flight to Malaga and back will constitute of 12 hours. The trip could be done in one week, therefore in theory, having completed that flight it is not necessary to continuing flying until two years later, where your skills and reactions would have been reduce. By making you wait, you’re continuing to fly and increase your 12 hours. Isn’t 12 hours a minimum??
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The 90-day recency rule is designed to keep people 'current', nit the re-validation process. The 'last 3 month' requirement was only ever intended for those re-validating by LPC, not experience - as is stated in JAR-FCL 1.
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Section F1.4 page 9 (231 of 608 of the .pdf):
This instructional flight may be replaced by
any proficiency check for a class, instrument or type
rating (or, in the UK, for an IMC rating) with a JAA
qualified examiner.
This instructional flight may be replaced by
any proficiency check for a class, instrument or type
rating (or, in the UK, for an IMC rating) with a JAA
qualified examiner.
