How would you 'do' a safety evening...?
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How would you 'do' a safety evening...?
Hi all. I see lots of opinions on the other thread about the content of the CAA Safety Evenings and this has given me the thought, "What would you include in a safety evening if it was up to you to produce a plan for the evening"?
What would you have in, what would you take out, how long would it be, who would it be aimed at, who would you have speaking, how would you get people in there? etc etc.
Over to you now, let us know what you think.....
What would you have in, what would you take out, how long would it be, who would it be aimed at, who would you have speaking, how would you get people in there? etc etc.
Over to you now, let us know what you think.....
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Would have to have a bit of a think on what I would put in and how I would present it as there is such a wealth of interesting and informative out there.......
However I would always finish with an evaluation form, how else am I going to find out what punters think of it?
However I would always finish with an evaluation form, how else am I going to find out what punters think of it?
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The CAA are always banging on about not using GPS.
I think a CAA sponsored "Correct use of GPS" would be a good start. Many people still enter numerical co-ordinates, don't check against the map, regard it as their nav tool, not 'one of their nav tools', etc.
If the CAA put a show together, perhaps with industry help, they may also realise that GPS is not the demon its made out to be and, when used correctly, is a huge aid to aviation safety.
I think a CAA sponsored "Correct use of GPS" would be a good start. Many people still enter numerical co-ordinates, don't check against the map, regard it as their nav tool, not 'one of their nav tools', etc.
If the CAA put a show together, perhaps with industry help, they may also realise that GPS is not the demon its made out to be and, when used correctly, is a huge aid to aviation safety.
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b'shaker, the CAA (rightly) bang on about not using it as a primary means of navigation. They support its use as a supplemental aid to conventional navigation. AIC 93/2002 (Pink 41) refers.
I agree with your second statement; it is time to encourage/teach the 'correct' use of GPS in VFR navigation.
I agree with your second statement; it is time to encourage/teach the 'correct' use of GPS in VFR navigation.
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If you're going to do one at your club or something, make it relevent to the season. Eg, now I would be discussing cold weather ops, icing, how to avoid and what to plan for. Get folks back into the performance section of the pilot's manual as a refresher. Never hurts. You could have a section about the expexted wx conditions for the season ie what weather patterns to expect with the typical vis and cloud issues.
(Summer, again bring in the wx issues, performance issues and how to make the trip more comfortable etc)
Nothing like a group think with GPS too. Reviewing how people get the co-ords off the chart and into the magic box.
Refresh folks memory about getting NOTAMs and translating that into something meaningful for navigation.
It doesn't have to be a mega formal arvo/night. Bung on a bbq.
To make it really meaningful, get a summary of the topics printed off so people have an accurate reminder of what they learnt.
(Summer, again bring in the wx issues, performance issues and how to make the trip more comfortable etc)
Nothing like a group think with GPS too. Reviewing how people get the co-ords off the chart and into the magic box.
Refresh folks memory about getting NOTAMs and translating that into something meaningful for navigation.
It doesn't have to be a mega formal arvo/night. Bung on a bbq.
To make it really meaningful, get a summary of the topics printed off so people have an accurate reminder of what they learnt.
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They need to re-consider the basic premise. Preaching that slavish application of rules is all that is necessary completely misses the point.
The majority of PPLs fly 'for fun'. The framework of rules has its place but the lack of experience or understanding that the presenters seem to have of 'flying for fun' and why people do it starts them off on the wrong tack.
No PPL I know wants to be incompetent or dangerous, these evenings should approach safety from a support and coaching position - not "the CAA will prosecute every pilot who runs out of fuel" (when did you last meet one that intended to run out of fuel?).
Yes the rules are there and 'must be obeyed' but understanding how and why makes people safe.
The majority of PPLs fly 'for fun'. The framework of rules has its place but the lack of experience or understanding that the presenters seem to have of 'flying for fun' and why people do it starts them off on the wrong tack.
No PPL I know wants to be incompetent or dangerous, these evenings should approach safety from a support and coaching position - not "the CAA will prosecute every pilot who runs out of fuel" (when did you last meet one that intended to run out of fuel?).
Yes the rules are there and 'must be obeyed' but understanding how and why makes people safe.
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Just one safety meeting or one in a series? If just one then there is no way you can cover everything so you need to proritise. Find out what causes most accidents and concentrate on those.
Where I hang out most, the tower people provide a barbecue every year. Nothing like free burgers to get out a bunch of pilots, and of course the payback is we get to listen to ATC tell us what we are doing wrong, and how to do it better! Works very well, nobody goes away without having learned something positive to do with safety, so some sort of bribe to attend should be included.
Where I hang out most, the tower people provide a barbecue every year. Nothing like free burgers to get out a bunch of pilots, and of course the payback is we get to listen to ATC tell us what we are doing wrong, and how to do it better! Works very well, nobody goes away without having learned something positive to do with safety, so some sort of bribe to attend should be included.
I put on a safety seminar at my flying club many moons ago. The approach I took was " lets plan and then ( notionally) fly a trip. I chose a route that had a bit of everything: Victoria BC to Las Vegas USA. ( ie overwater, mountain nav, high density ops, USA flying procedures etc) As the flight progressed I threw in a few sample emergencies. It seemed to be generally well received and one PPL who was contemplating a similar trip said it gave him the confidence to go ahead. The only real problem was the PPL's who really needed a safety tuneup never showed up
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slim_slag,
I like that idea...might put it to the SATCO.
Interestingly, as one of the bods sitting on the "Airspace Infringement Working Group" (the CAA's response to the On Track reports) I have been tasked with trying to improve ATCO/GA pilot relations....and an informal BBQ and maybe a sud or two sounds like a fine idea.
I like that idea...might put it to the SATCO.
Interestingly, as one of the bods sitting on the "Airspace Infringement Working Group" (the CAA's response to the On Track reports) I have been tasked with trying to improve ATCO/GA pilot relations....and an informal BBQ and maybe a sud or two sounds like a fine idea.
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The only real problem was the PPL's who really needed a safety tuneup never showed up
I have often tried to organise such events in my clubs over the years... the members would say "great idea! I'll sign up and come"... on the night of the event, no one shows
not very motivating..... 
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It's no good working on the pilots. Most of them won't turn up. I would work on the instructors.
Example (instructor, ATPL holder as it happens, talking to a PPL student): "Don't ever even think of calling up Gatwick. They will come down on you so hard it will destroy your confidence for ever". Complete b0110cks as I know well having called them many times for a RIS when in the muck; they are extremely helpful.
Example (instructor, ATPL holder as it happens, talking to a PPL student): "Don't ever even think of calling up Gatwick. They will come down on you so hard it will destroy your confidence for ever". Complete b0110cks as I know well having called them many times for a RIS when in the muck; they are extremely helpful.
