Light Aircraft Down near Bournemouth
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/3607814.stm
Lets hope everyone is ok.. thoughts go out to them.
Lets hope everyone is ok.. thoughts go out to them.
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One person killed, the other two pob taken to Salisbury's Hospitals specialist burns unit. Crash happened at about 1300, was TB9 or TB10 heading back to Guernsey. A/c believed to based in GCI.
BOH remained open to commercial traffic, but closed to all other traffic.
BOH remained open to commercial traffic, but closed to all other traffic.
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TB10 out of the channel islands (Guernsey?), having cleared customs at Bournemouth en route Henstridge for a fly in crashed shortly after take off. Identity of 3 POB is known from the Gen Dec, but for obvious reasons I cannot put anything here about them. Sorry to hear one has died, if this is true. Certainly had an air ambulance fly out cleared to a burns hospital.
Aircraft called tower with a problem shortly after take off (about 1215 local), saying they would be returning to the field. Various reports of what problem, possibly either nothing on the ASI or not climbing. Did not hear the call myself so I hesitate to speculate further in open forum. Crashed shortly after at the airfield boundary, onto the perimeter road (near Alice in Wonderland theme park, for those familiar with EGHH).
EGHH was still closed to all but scheduled and limited departing traffic when I gave up hope of flying for the afternoon at 1500L, tower giving little hope of improvement.
Remember to practice EFATOs regularly, and no-ASI circuits. Remember your checks on the roll. Terrible accident, we are all vulnerable. Fly safely my friends.
Aircraft called tower with a problem shortly after take off (about 1215 local), saying they would be returning to the field. Various reports of what problem, possibly either nothing on the ASI or not climbing. Did not hear the call myself so I hesitate to speculate further in open forum. Crashed shortly after at the airfield boundary, onto the perimeter road (near Alice in Wonderland theme park, for those familiar with EGHH).
EGHH was still closed to all but scheduled and limited departing traffic when I gave up hope of flying for the afternoon at 1500L, tower giving little hope of improvement.
Remember to practice EFATOs regularly, and no-ASI circuits. Remember your checks on the roll. Terrible accident, we are all vulnerable. Fly safely my friends.
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A pal of mine is training there and told me that there was an ASI failure, and spun in following a left turnout from 26. How he knows that there was ASI failure is beyond me, so can't say it was definately that. The news report says they had turned back to the feild following trouble after take off, so lets wait for the official report.
Also was told it was a TB10.
Condolencies to the pilots family.
Best hopes for those injured.
Also was told it was a TB10.
Condolencies to the pilots family.
Best hopes for those injured.
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I was the last contact with the crew off G-BOIU who came into us for customs clearance and a cup of coffee today. Still in shock. Regrets to the pilots family and fingers crossed for the guys who were pulled clear. I hope you guys make it.
Paul Smith
I was the last contact with the crew off G-BOIU who came into us for customs clearance and a cup of coffee today. Still in shock. Regrets to the pilots family and fingers crossed for the guys who were pulled clear. I hope you guys make it.
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This is, as always, a very sad accident. I do not wish to hijack the topic or start an argument, but I was so shocked when I saw the BBC's report, I felt I had to write something. I find their reporting in this case unbelievably crass and tactless.
Looking at the BBC, (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/3607814.stm) the photo is of the plane burning. Presumably some charitable soul grabbed the camera and took the photo specially to give to the press crews while the people were still on board as the report says .......
"It hit the road and a fence, and there was a fire," he said.
"The airport emergency services were literally there in seconds and put the fire out very quickly.
"Then the helicopter and ambulances arrived and took them to hospital."
Soo - its OK to show the plane burning while, one assumes, the people are still on board?????
Just incase anyone feels like commenting to the Beeb, the page is here ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/bbci_comment.shtml
Looking at the BBC, (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/3607814.stm) the photo is of the plane burning. Presumably some charitable soul grabbed the camera and took the photo specially to give to the press crews while the people were still on board as the report says .......
"It hit the road and a fence, and there was a fire," he said.
"The airport emergency services were literally there in seconds and put the fire out very quickly.
"Then the helicopter and ambulances arrived and took them to hospital."
Soo - its OK to show the plane burning while, one assumes, the people are still on board?????
Just incase anyone feels like commenting to the Beeb, the page is here ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/bbci_comment.shtml
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looking @ the piccy and living here, you can see the start of thunderbird 1's monitor just coming in to view to extinguish the flames, this picture must have been taken from a grockle in the theme park on the ridge that is above the car park.
Terrible accident that if as rumours suggest was just an ASI (yes we will have to wait for AAIB) could have been avoided as there was an excellent horizon yesterday, so assuming that there was nothing wrong with the engine should have been a standard P-A-T, and wind noise procedure!
Strengthens my argument that part of the PPL syllabus should be done in a SLMG (circa 5hrs) to teach better understanding of field landings and general handling with a silent engine, that should save lives at times like these?
Condolences to all, such a shame
Terrible accident that if as rumours suggest was just an ASI (yes we will have to wait for AAIB) could have been avoided as there was an excellent horizon yesterday, so assuming that there was nothing wrong with the engine should have been a standard P-A-T, and wind noise procedure!
Strengthens my argument that part of the PPL syllabus should be done in a SLMG (circa 5hrs) to teach better understanding of field landings and general handling with a silent engine, that should save lives at times like these?
Condolences to all, such a shame
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Why is it both glider pilots and microlighters practice field landings actually into the field but group A pull away at 500 feet? You learn nothing from 500 feet. Do the job properly and teach these guys to deal with problems. I learnt to fly on gliders and the FI used to cover the asi with a big sucker so the student could not use it. Fly attitude he used to say and I hated him for it! Once I could do it I wondered what the problem was! 10 years later I lost an ASI and flew attitude. It worked so well I continued the flight and fixed it at my leasure.
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could have been avoided as there was an excellent horizon yesterday, so assuming that there was nothing wrong with the engine should have been a standard P-A-T, and wind noise procedure!
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bigflyingrob,
You are talking about two different issues here. The first one concerns PFLs into a field. I presume Group A aircraft don't do them because they couldn't fly out again safely. However, during my PPL(A) training I practised engine failure from just about everywhere in the circuit, and from downwind onwards I had to land on the runway, which is not too dissimilar. The second issue is instrument failures. I learned on a traumahawk, and remember being made to do two circuits with ALL the instruments covered. Which means I too now don't worry too much, and recently continued a flight with a non-working DI, AI, and balance ball, without worrying about it. A non-working ASI would worry me a little but not that much. So don't jump to too many conclusions here about what people learn in training; it varies.
More importantly, we don't yet know what happened! Also, I suspect some of you have never had an in-flight emergency. Until you have, you don't know how you'll react - take it from me!!! Simulated emergencies are NOT the same; the sinking feeling you get from the real thing is something that just can't be simulated. So while more training, better training, more continued training, more practice, and so on are absolutely excellent ideas, I don't think we should criticise the present system too much. It's hard to accept, but sometimes, no matter what you do, accidents are going to happen.
You are talking about two different issues here. The first one concerns PFLs into a field. I presume Group A aircraft don't do them because they couldn't fly out again safely. However, during my PPL(A) training I practised engine failure from just about everywhere in the circuit, and from downwind onwards I had to land on the runway, which is not too dissimilar. The second issue is instrument failures. I learned on a traumahawk, and remember being made to do two circuits with ALL the instruments covered. Which means I too now don't worry too much, and recently continued a flight with a non-working DI, AI, and balance ball, without worrying about it. A non-working ASI would worry me a little but not that much. So don't jump to too many conclusions here about what people learn in training; it varies.
More importantly, we don't yet know what happened! Also, I suspect some of you have never had an in-flight emergency. Until you have, you don't know how you'll react - take it from me!!! Simulated emergencies are NOT the same; the sinking feeling you get from the real thing is something that just can't be simulated. So while more training, better training, more continued training, more practice, and so on are absolutely excellent ideas, I don't think we should criticise the present system too much. It's hard to accept, but sometimes, no matter what you do, accidents are going to happen.
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I just heard about this from my Brother....worrying and sad, particularly as I fly a TB10 from EGHH (in a similar colour scheme to the BBC photo).
A friend of mine almost ended up in a field in a TB20 when the pitot tube became bloked on takeoff. He was flying with a particularly large gentleman, and he thought he'd made a terrible w&b mistake. The thing that "saved" him was the GS reading from the GPS which indicated around >100Kts as opposed to 50-60 odd kts read from the ASI, he suspected it got blocked just about as he rotated. Once he realised the tube was blocked, the plane flew just fine....as you'd expect.
Its certainly very sad that IF an ASI caused this it could have been avoided......but as mentioned, we'll have to wait for the AAIB to report. Airliners have been brought down by dodgey ASI's...........maybe we rely on them too much, maybe there is a case to go out and practice flying around by "feel" alone........
A friend of mine almost ended up in a field in a TB20 when the pitot tube became bloked on takeoff. He was flying with a particularly large gentleman, and he thought he'd made a terrible w&b mistake. The thing that "saved" him was the GS reading from the GPS which indicated around >100Kts as opposed to 50-60 odd kts read from the ASI, he suspected it got blocked just about as he rotated. Once he realised the tube was blocked, the plane flew just fine....as you'd expect.
Its certainly very sad that IF an ASI caused this it could have been avoided......but as mentioned, we'll have to wait for the AAIB to report. Airliners have been brought down by dodgey ASI's...........maybe we rely on them too much, maybe there is a case to go out and practice flying around by "feel" alone........
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Condolences to those affected by this terrible accident. Fingers crossed for the survivors who remain critically ill at the specialist Burns Unit at Salisbury Odstock Hospital.
Would also like to thank Fernytickles for posting the link for complaints regarding the extremely distressing and offensive photo still being used by the BBC. Appalling.
VFE.
Would also like to thank Fernytickles for posting the link for complaints regarding the extremely distressing and offensive photo still being used by the BBC. Appalling.
VFE.
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3 times in all
2 x catastrophic fixed wing, the first one in Chipmunk - G-BAVH at 300ft over a sewer farm with a very heavy glider on the back, con rod thro the side of the crank case, -turned back? second one in a Super Cub passing 1500ft landed in a nice big field! and 1 x battery fire on take off from Wellsbourne.
So i do think i am happy with my post - sorry your not!
2 x catastrophic fixed wing, the first one in Chipmunk - G-BAVH at 300ft over a sewer farm with a very heavy glider on the back, con rod thro the side of the crank case, -turned back? second one in a Super Cub passing 1500ft landed in a nice big field! and 1 x battery fire on take off from Wellsbourne.
So i do think i am happy with my post - sorry your not!
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Having now had an interview with the police and the AAIB I will offer you all what I have told them. Firstly the aircraft flew into Bournemouth from Gurnsey en route to Henstridge, unlike the tv reports are saying, it was inbound to the country not outbound. They had no known problems on the 1 hour flight over, stayed at Handling for approx 45mins-1hour, filled out a gen dec for customs, had a coffee, a quick look around the museum then I booked them out to Henstridge. I watched them carry out a walk around, start up, taxi, do pre take off checks and depart. At no point did I hear a rough running engine, notice anything unusual and if anyone wonders, no they did not fit a pitot cover. I was listening to the radio on departure and I heard them say very shortly after take off they had no indicated air speed and were turning back to the field. Shortly after the accident then happened.
Hopefully the two survivors will be able to explain one day what actually happened or the AAIB will be able to solve the mystery. Until such times all I can say is to make sure you all carry out a good walk around and make sure you know what to do if this ever happens to you. Oh and one other thing, if it wasn't for the gen dec knowning the crews details it would of been much more difficult to solve who they all were and who the police had to contact so please always make sure you fill them out and maybe let someone know who is in your aircraft whenever you fly. I don't think you would want your next of kin to be the last to know.
It was a sad day in aviation, lets hope this has made people realize sometimes things do go wrong. So be careful up there and know your emergency checks.
Paul Smith
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Having now had an interview with the police and the AAIB I will offer you all what I have told them. Firstly the aircraft flew into Bournemouth from Gurnsey en route to Henstridge, unlike the tv reports are saying, it was inbound to the country not outbound. They had no known problems on the 1 hour flight over, stayed at Handling for approx 45mins-1hour, filled out a gen dec for customs, had a coffee, a quick look around the museum then I booked them out to Henstridge. I watched them carry out a walk around, start up, taxi, do pre take off checks and depart. At no point did I hear a rough running engine, notice anything unusual and if anyone wonders, no they did not fit a pitot cover. I was listening to the radio on departure and I heard them say very shortly after take off they had no indicated air speed and were turning back to the field. Shortly after the accident then happened.
Hopefully the two survivors will be able to explain one day what actually happened or the AAIB will be able to solve the mystery. Until such times all I can say is to make sure you all carry out a good walk around and make sure you know what to do if this ever happens to you. Oh and one other thing, if it wasn't for the gen dec knowning the crews details it would of been much more difficult to solve who they all were and who the police had to contact so please always make sure you fill them out and maybe let someone know who is in your aircraft whenever you fly. I don't think you would want your next of kin to be the last to know.
It was a sad day in aviation, lets hope this has made people realize sometimes things do go wrong. So be careful up there and know your emergency checks.
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OK Jet, humble pie will be tasted but I still think the way you delivered your opinion followed by a "!" showed a particularly heartless attitude toward the situation.
Perhaps like me, it was his first problem on departure and perhaps he didn't remain as cool as we all like to think we could.
Whatever the case, it was a very sad event that just doesn't need picking to bits with "wind noise procedure" theories etc.
Perhaps like me, it was his first problem on departure and perhaps he didn't remain as cool as we all like to think we could.
Whatever the case, it was a very sad event that just doesn't need picking to bits with "wind noise procedure" theories etc.