MOD Landing sites ?
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MOD Landing sites ?
Someone mentioned landing at MOD sites in another thread. How available is this facility ? How do we find out which ones accept GA, how to handle PPR, costs etc ?
Anyone know ?
Anyone know ?
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Most of them are in the popular guide books, such as the AFE VFR Guide, with the instructions set out there. You need to phone well in advance, may in some cases have to obtain written permission, and have to be very well insured.
PS: also contact details on the station websites
http://www.raf.mod.uk/stations/index.html
PS: also contact details on the station websites
http://www.raf.mod.uk/stations/index.html
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- Fees are about £8 for a light GA type.
- Crown indemnity insurance is mandatory (althought they might handle this as a once-off payment of about the same).
- PPR by calling the station, ask for "station ops", and give your details and ask for permittion. (Numbers in Pooleys, etc.)
- Expect to be declined permission if you just "fancy a visit" unless you have a sponsor on the station, but they'll generally be very helpful if you have a good reason. This applies to pretty much any station.
- Be current on marshalling signals, flying under radar control, and the nature of military (constant aspect) circuits.
- Don't take photos whilst on the ground there, for that matter don't even have a camera in view.
Do all that, and you'll find them utterly helpful if you've good reason to visit even a very busy UK military airfield.
G
- Crown indemnity insurance is mandatory (althought they might handle this as a once-off payment of about the same).
- PPR by calling the station, ask for "station ops", and give your details and ask for permittion. (Numbers in Pooleys, etc.)
- Expect to be declined permission if you just "fancy a visit" unless you have a sponsor on the station, but they'll generally be very helpful if you have a good reason. This applies to pretty much any station.
- Be current on marshalling signals, flying under radar control, and the nature of military (constant aspect) circuits.
- Don't take photos whilst on the ground there, for that matter don't even have a camera in view.
Do all that, and you'll find them utterly helpful if you've good reason to visit even a very busy UK military airfield.
G
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On a recent trip to RAF Cottesmore we were informed that it is RAF policy to actively encourage GA use of their sites.
They do require a high level of insurance cover, but most flying school aircraft would already have that, otherwise I believe that it is possible to get the cover from wherever you are visiting for a few pounds on top of the landing fee.
A lot of them are in Pooleys, with the relevant contact details.
They do require a high level of insurance cover, but most flying school aircraft would already have that, otherwise I believe that it is possible to get the cover from wherever you are visiting for a few pounds on top of the landing fee.
A lot of them are in Pooleys, with the relevant contact details.
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Sounds like Plan A.
I could not help but chortle when overhearing some poor glider pilot try to persuade the efficient but somewhat humourless "Sir- yes-Sir" Lakenheath ladies let him land there as he was running out of lift. Rather appeared to do their heads in, and that was pre 9-11.
I could not help but chortle when overhearing some poor glider pilot try to persuade the efficient but somewhat humourless "Sir- yes-Sir" Lakenheath ladies let him land there as he was running out of lift. Rather appeared to do their heads in, and that was pre 9-11.
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I go to Brize regularly - always very helpful.
There was a change last year of which you should be aware. The MOD waiver on many insurance policies meant not having to pay the additional insurance. That in itself is no longer sufficient and you need to apply to Stirke for an MOD waiver certifcate. You also need to do so if you plan to make more regular visits to the same MOD airport. For casual use you can still pay the additional insurance. I assume (and that was the implication at Brize) the same policy applies to all MOD facilities but maybe check in advance.
There was a change last year of which you should be aware. The MOD waiver on many insurance policies meant not having to pay the additional insurance. That in itself is no longer sufficient and you need to apply to Stirke for an MOD waiver certifcate. You also need to do so if you plan to make more regular visits to the same MOD airport. For casual use you can still pay the additional insurance. I assume (and that was the implication at Brize) the same policy applies to all MOD facilities but maybe check in advance.
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Fees are about £8 for a light GA type
So - PA28 is going to cost £32.40 plus insurance if you need to pay that.
(2360 kg / 670 litres useable fuel)
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Those that have University Air Squadrons do have AVGAS. Those are the little white Grob 115E aircraft. Benson, Colerne, Wyton, Boscombe Down for example. Check before arriving though as the fuel may not be available to you. It's a funny arrangement and the AVGAS bowser may be operated by Civvies who are not required to sevice you. At Benson we will do it but a request through Ops the day before is highly reccommended.
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You would be welcome at Coltishall at weekends when the flying club is operating, providing you contact Station Ops during the week beforehand and a call to the flying club would be welcomed. You will most likely have to fax them with proof of sufficient insurance.
Avgas is also available via the flying club but again this is not at MOD rates.
lhd
Avgas is also available via the flying club but again this is not at MOD rates.
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Brize Norton usually very welcoming. Have had the experience of trundling down Brize's approach in an AA5 with a Tristar right down wind and a C-17 left down wind and ATC egging me on against a strong headwind - incredible patience by ATC was much appreciated.
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Can also vouch for Brize, did a little flying there a couple of years back.
There are a number of civilian schools operated by the RAF (with some great rates) - I belive the RAF are proactive in this venture - non profit training / sfh. But if they have a club, they will have avgas. For example Brize. I know there are some restrictions for joining club though (ie. member of armed forces, or one of the cadet organisations)
There are a number of civilian schools operated by the RAF (with some great rates) - I belive the RAF are proactive in this venture - non profit training / sfh. But if they have a club, they will have avgas. For example Brize. I know there are some restrictions for joining club though (ie. member of armed forces, or one of the cadet organisations)
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Conversely - there is a flying club at Mona, but no AvGas. The flying club is civilian - and it's trivial to hop to Caernarfon for fuel.
I've used Mona a few times and always been made very welcome (maybe Welsh-speaking friends & relatives help...) and it's really very good value. Slap bang in the middle of Anglesey next to the A55 so ideal for anywhere on the island really.
Iechyd da!
I've used Mona a few times and always been made very welcome (maybe Welsh-speaking friends & relatives help...) and it's really very good value. Slap bang in the middle of Anglesey next to the A55 so ideal for anywhere on the island really.
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Talking about RAF flying clubs, there are one or two (certainly one in the West Midlands) who would be willing to lease back medium perf touring ac at good rates. Its something I may be interested in since this would offer cheap/free hangarage, more caring hirers(?) etc. I only need to find a few others who would invest in something like a DA40TDi or a high end PA28.
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RAF Colerne is one of the more interesting places - ideal for Bath and they are actively marketing it (at the moment it's a UAS base and nothing more).
Helpful bunch but, conversely, no JET-A1!
Overall though RAF bases are invariably helpful. The major Fighter bases are usually a bit more restrictive. After all, don't you know there's a war on!?
Helpful bunch but, conversely, no JET-A1!
Overall though RAF bases are invariably helpful. The major Fighter bases are usually a bit more restrictive. After all, don't you know there's a war on!?