Flying the "Tin Parachute"
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My father states that at a Biggin Airshow in the 60's a Rallye took off across the runway as part of the display... not that I disbelieve him as I've seen some shortish T/O's but would love to have seen it. Can anyone confirm this or even have a picture of it??
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TonyR, I'd love to have seen their faces when you called final as your wheels left the ground!
corsair, the slats should have been rigged to come out together anyway. I'd say handling would be potentially interesting if they didn't!
MQ.
corsair, the slats should have been rigged to come out together anyway. I'd say handling would be potentially interesting if they didn't!
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Saw a fantastic pic of a Rallye 220 towing 5 gliders all at once - I think it was in one of the PR brochures
Even so - some achievement........
I'm becoming quite interested in these wierd flying bedsteads !!!!
What are they like on rough fields ?
And I think there is a taildragging version too !! (even better), do they have 4 seats ?
Arc
Even so - some achievement........
I'm becoming quite interested in these wierd flying bedsteads !!!!
What are they like on rough fields ?
And I think there is a taildragging version too !! (even better), do they have 4 seats ?
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What are they like on rough fields ?
I can't think of any other nosewheel type that I'd be happy to fly to some of the places I go in the Rallye.
There is a very rare taildragging version. Someone's been trying to sell one in Sweden for months - check www.planecheck.com
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Here is where our rallye lives, at the back door.
BEL (117.2). 260R. 19D.
340 M Grass 27-09
I use it like a car in the summer, all you need is a good big field where ever you go.
Tony
It\'s a look out the window aircraft, not much to see inside
BEL (117.2). 260R. 19D.
340 M Grass 27-09
I use it like a car in the summer, all you need is a good big field where ever you go.
Tony
It\'s a look out the window aircraft, not much to see inside
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Not so N, but still FG
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I enjoyed my first two trips in a Rallye the other day. Very pleasant aeroplane. I made one OK-ish landing, but the other was slightly less so (green tail bumper time). Trying to get the thing to stall was most amusing. I loved it when the slats pinged out, but almost dislocated my shoulder trying to get the flaps down (the answer: slow down a bit). I can see why Rallye owners are fond of them.
PS; the 1972 Rallye Commodore 180 I flew had a rather more complex panel than Tony's. It looked ex-military in layout. The ergonomics generally were a but wacky, with the trimmer and the flap level being slightly awkward to use (the latter is much the same in a Cap 10b), but these are mere gripes. Overall, lots of fun, and the short field performance was remarkable.
PS; the 1972 Rallye Commodore 180 I flew had a rather more complex panel than Tony's. It looked ex-military in layout. The ergonomics generally were a but wacky, with the trimmer and the flap level being slightly awkward to use (the latter is much the same in a Cap 10b), but these are mere gripes. Overall, lots of fun, and the short field performance was remarkable.
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Koli, about the carb heat;
The green arc is really only an indication of acceptable vibration/harmonic areas. I have to say though, that Koliber doesn't make much ice.
To save FNGs shoulder the Koliber has electric flaps.
Fun little machine
Also, the tacho is green-arced right down to idle, so in practice we rarely need it anyway
To save FNGs shoulder the Koliber has electric flaps.
Fun little machine
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The green arc is really only an indication of acceptable vibration/harmonic areas.
er.... pardon?
Now come on M14P,
, you are going to have to explain that for us fickos.
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Sorry mate,
Right - conventional aeronautical standard for markings general has any green range meaning 'normal'.
Broadly speaking (for yer RPM instrument) it will be marked from 500 rpm ('cos it's unlikely to run properly below that) right up until red radial. Thats the limit.
Some engines will have green then yellow then red line (TIO-360 Conti, for example, in the Seneca III) where the take-off power is not rated for longer than a certain time period (5 mins??)
Others will have a little band of yellow halfway along the RPM scale. Usually this is an 'avoid' range due to harmonic vibration. Engine slowly bashing itself to bits...
It is distinctly unlikely that carb icing will be associated with a specific RPM and that it will be marked on the tachometer.
There you go... any help?
Right - conventional aeronautical standard for markings general has any green range meaning 'normal'.
Broadly speaking (for yer RPM instrument) it will be marked from 500 rpm ('cos it's unlikely to run properly below that) right up until red radial. Thats the limit.
Some engines will have green then yellow then red line (TIO-360 Conti, for example, in the Seneca III) where the take-off power is not rated for longer than a certain time period (5 mins??)
Others will have a little band of yellow halfway along the RPM scale. Usually this is an 'avoid' range due to harmonic vibration. Engine slowly bashing itself to bits...
It is distinctly unlikely that carb icing will be associated with a specific RPM and that it will be marked on the tachometer.
There you go... any help?
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but almost dislocated my shoulder trying to get the flaps down
To save FNGs shoulder the Koliber has electric flaps.
Because people put them on at too high airspeed.
The "handbrake" type will break your arm first.
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M14P,
I think you may just have shattered a lot of peoples illusions here, I was certainly under the impression that tacho green arc means "icing unlikely"
TonyR
Thanks for that tip, I'll try & percolate it around our group. Max Flap lowering speed on the Koliber is 80kt. Do you have much problem with sticky brakes, as you are operating your Rallye on grasss? We've had a brake problems which hopefully have been cured by new (different manufacturer) calipers.
I think you may just have shattered a lot of peoples illusions here, I was certainly under the impression that tacho green arc means "icing unlikely"
TonyR
Thanks for that tip, I'll try & percolate it around our group. Max Flap lowering speed on the Koliber is 80kt. Do you have much problem with sticky brakes, as you are operating your Rallye on grasss? We've had a brake problems which hopefully have been cured by new (different manufacturer) calipers.
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Hi Kolibear,
We did have a brake problem, but gave the old calipers and the rest of the system a good clean and lube. Now no problem.
Nice to meet you at North Weald. Have converted FNG to the cause, even turned the old girl into a fighter on the way home. Rallye 1 Nanchang 0 (ok I am a big kid)
Does "Vive le Rallye" make sense or is it being stupid
Wide
We did have a brake problem, but gave the old calipers and the rest of the system a good clean and lube. Now no problem.
Nice to meet you at North Weald. Have converted FNG to the cause, even turned the old girl into a fighter on the way home. Rallye 1 Nanchang 0 (ok I am a big kid)
Does "Vive le Rallye" make sense or is it being stupid
Wide
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Kolibear,
Our Rallye has the old cable type brakes that dont work anyway.
If yours are sticking, someone might be taxi-ing with their big feet still on the brakes, this can overheat them and distort the calipers
Carb icing is like my type of woman, anytime any place anywhere. I give her a bit of heat every 10-15 min.
I had another lovely flight tonight, 100 + km vis. I could see the Scottish mountains from home in Co Tyrone at 2000 feet.
I was just thinking about some of the most pleasent aircraft I have flown, Robin DR400, TB20, Piel CP-30 Emeraude ( Early CAP 10), CAP10 B&C & Various Rallyes,
Funny they are all French
Tony
Our Rallye has the old cable type brakes that dont work anyway.
If yours are sticking, someone might be taxi-ing with their big feet still on the brakes, this can overheat them and distort the calipers
Carb icing is like my type of woman, anytime any place anywhere. I give her a bit of heat every 10-15 min.
I had another lovely flight tonight, 100 + km vis. I could see the Scottish mountains from home in Co Tyrone at 2000 feet.
I was just thinking about some of the most pleasent aircraft I have flown, Robin DR400, TB20, Piel CP-30 Emeraude ( Early CAP 10), CAP10 B&C & Various Rallyes,
Funny they are all French
Tony
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Ours is a Rallye 100 club.
Every Rallye driver will tell you their way to take off in the shortest distance, I have found after several hundred take offs in the Rallye 100, what works best for me.
This is when quite lightly loaded.
First; Pull out the slats prior to getting in the aircraft; reason:- to maximise the lift from the wing at slow speed.
Second; Select FULL flap prior to take-off run; reason :- to maximise lift in ground effect at slow speed.
Third; Full power and hold the stick fully back until the nosewheel lifts, then release some pressure on the stick and you will be airborne in ground effect at about 45mph, allow speed to build to 55mph and climb away, allowing the speed to build to over 60mph before slowly removing any flap.
I know others will suggest yanking on flap at 45mph and you will leap into the air etc.
My method means you have the aircraft set up before you start the t/o roll and you just have to fly away until a safe height. also with the slats out and full flap selected you will feel the aircraft getting light on the ground from about 30mph, (if you are in clean config the wings will not be working much until past 40mph. At these speeds there is very little drag to worry about.
Go out and try it, the Rallye wont bite. (you will get some looks from microlight drivers as you use less runway than most of them)
Tony
Every Rallye driver will tell you their way to take off in the shortest distance, I have found after several hundred take offs in the Rallye 100, what works best for me.
This is when quite lightly loaded.
First; Pull out the slats prior to getting in the aircraft; reason:- to maximise the lift from the wing at slow speed.
Second; Select FULL flap prior to take-off run; reason :- to maximise lift in ground effect at slow speed.
Third; Full power and hold the stick fully back until the nosewheel lifts, then release some pressure on the stick and you will be airborne in ground effect at about 45mph, allow speed to build to 55mph and climb away, allowing the speed to build to over 60mph before slowly removing any flap.
I know others will suggest yanking on flap at 45mph and you will leap into the air etc.
My method means you have the aircraft set up before you start the t/o roll and you just have to fly away until a safe height. also with the slats out and full flap selected you will feel the aircraft getting light on the ground from about 30mph, (if you are in clean config the wings will not be working much until past 40mph. At these speeds there is very little drag to worry about.
Go out and try it, the Rallye wont bite. (you will get some looks from microlight drivers as you use less runway than most of them)
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I agree. Bloomin' good fun.
Koli has enjoyed the same departure (and more) as my victim (er, student)
I think he still thinks it requires skill - but, hey! I managed it.
Lovely little machine.
m
Koli has enjoyed the same departure (and more) as my victim (er, student)
I think he still thinks it requires skill - but, hey! I managed it.
Lovely little machine.
m
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Hey M14P - I enjoyed it. Now I want to learn short field landings; nose up - loads of power and stop in the width of the runway
Koliber POH recommends dumping the flaps just after you have started your take off roll.
Koliber POH recommends dumping the flaps just after you have started your take off roll.