Piper Fleet Lineup
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Hi all,
Could anyone point me in the right direction here? I am trying to learn about Piper's fleet. Their site isn't too informative, it only deals with the new types. I am particually interested in the PA-28 Cherokee series, I start my PPL in a month in a Warrior II, and I want to know the lines history! I did a search on google and found something on airliners.net, but it was rather confusing!Thanks,
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Could anyone point me in the right direction here? I am trying to learn about Piper's fleet. Their site isn't too informative, it only deals with the new types. I am particually interested in the PA-28 Cherokee series, I start my PPL in a month in a Warrior II, and I want to know the lines history! I did a search on google and found something on airliners.net, but it was rather confusing!Thanks,
Jau
There's a book called "the Piper Indians", you can get it on Amazon or from Transair.
Alternatively if you go to the top of the "tech log" forum, into the "useful sources of information" sticky you'll find a link to "FAA Type Certificate Data Sheets". If you then select "New Piper" you'll get the data sheets, with mod states, flying limitations and so on for the whole fleet. Frankly, it's not interesting reading, but it is the definitive source of information for those of us who work on light aircraft approvals.
I think that there's a Piper (Cherokee?) owners club website somewhere as well, which I'd think Google will find quickly enough - that may help.
Finally Piper did do a poster at some point showing the ancestry of all of their aircraft since about 1930. I've only ever seen it on somebody's office wall, but it might be still available from somewhere.
G
Alternatively if you go to the top of the "tech log" forum, into the "useful sources of information" sticky you'll find a link to "FAA Type Certificate Data Sheets". If you then select "New Piper" you'll get the data sheets, with mod states, flying limitations and so on for the whole fleet. Frankly, it's not interesting reading, but it is the definitive source of information for those of us who work on light aircraft approvals.
I think that there's a Piper (Cherokee?) owners club website somewhere as well, which I'd think Google will find quickly enough - that may help.
Finally Piper did do a poster at some point showing the ancestry of all of their aircraft since about 1930. I've only ever seen it on somebody's office wall, but it might be still available from somewhere.
G
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Ok, Thanks! Whilst on the topic, where can I get hold of a Pilot Operating Manual for the warrior II? I can't find one anyware. I thought they would be more widely available!
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There is (in my opinion) a rather nice poster which depicts all the Piper models from teh early beginnings to recent times on a sort of genealogy tree.
I will have a look around and see if I can find the source for them.
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I will have a look around and see if I can find the source for them.
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You could try the PA28 Warrior Pilot's Guide
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There's a Cherokee group on Yahoo http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/PiperCherokee
POH are usually issued with each individual aircraft, so generics are difficult to find.
Hope that helps
POH are usually issued with each individual aircraft, so generics are difficult to find.
Hope that helps
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Whilst on the topic, where can I get hold of a Pilot Operating Manual for the warrior II? I can't find one anyware. I thought they would be more widely available!
If you are learning on a PA26-161, there will be a copy of the approved manual kept with, or somewhere vaguely near, the aircraft. Your best bet is to ask to borrow that for a few hours and run it down to the local copy-shop.
The AFE book is excellent on systems description, etc. but I'd not personally regard it as a replacement for the official manual, rather as a useful supplement.
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The AFE book is excellent on systems description, etc. but I'd not personally regard it as a replacement for the official manual, rather as a useful supplement.
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I got a Pilots Information Manual from Essco (see Chilli Monster's link). I'd never seen one, and wasn't expecting very much to be honest. It turned out to be a copy of the POH (without of course the specific weights and balances for a particular aircraft, but you'll probably fly in more than just one particular aircraft anyway). Very useful, and saved me standing in front of a photocopy machine getting it all wrong (Did I copy that page or not...).
Costs you of course... I recall about $50 including postage but may have that completely wrong.
Costs you of course... I recall about $50 including postage but may have that completely wrong.
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The POH for the aircraft forms (at least for UK registered aircraft) part of the Certificate of Airworthiness and its cover is always marked with words to the effect that "This document forms part of C of A number.......". You might find that the club you're learning with has put it away somewhere safe in order to guard against loss.
Ask them nicely, they should be happy to show it to you then, like Ghengis says, down to a photocopier.
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Ask them nicely, they should be happy to show it to you then, like Ghengis says, down to a photocopier.
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There is a chapter devoted to the PA28-161 in Alan Bramson's The Book of Flight Tests, which you should be able to get at the library. Bill Clarke's The Piper Indians, mentioned by Genghis, is also pretty good.
Perhaps this link may also be of some interest.
Cherokees/Cherokee Warriors are nice, honest, easy-to-fly airplanes, and are a good choice for a training airplane.
Perhaps this link may also be of some interest.
Cherokees/Cherokee Warriors are nice, honest, easy-to-fly airplanes, and are a good choice for a training airplane.
