Recurrent threads that make you lose your will to live
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Recurrent threads that make you lose your will to live
It is inevitable on a bulletin board such as this one that certain topics will recycle from time to time, and quite often, when they do, you find out something new, but I bet we can all think of subjects that make us go "noooooooooo!, not that one again!!!" every time they heave into view.
My own personal (anti) favourites are the "Can I log the flying time if I read a Biggles book?" thread (one of which has recently hi-jacked a thread about pre and post fuel tyre-kicking) and the "How many gold bars should I wear for my trial lesson?" thread (a variant of which is running at the moment). It's a close call, but that one depresses me the most: the idea that people may actually think it matters what a PPL or an instructor wears when flying (so long as it isn't easily inflammable, who gives a monkeys). Oh well, I should get out more, but it's too windy to go flying.
Which threads make you reach for your revolver?
(apart from [a] this one and [b] that one that never, ever, ever goes away: you all know the one I mean)
My own personal (anti) favourites are the "Can I log the flying time if I read a Biggles book?" thread (one of which has recently hi-jacked a thread about pre and post fuel tyre-kicking) and the "How many gold bars should I wear for my trial lesson?" thread (a variant of which is running at the moment). It's a close call, but that one depresses me the most: the idea that people may actually think it matters what a PPL or an instructor wears when flying (so long as it isn't easily inflammable, who gives a monkeys). Oh well, I should get out more, but it's too windy to go flying.
Which threads make you reach for your revolver?
(apart from [a] this one and [b] that one that never, ever, ever goes away: you all know the one I mean)
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There are a few, but the irritation level is normally related to how recently i've had a coffee. I'm sure all the dumb questions I've asked were original here when I asked them... 
Stick or Yoke and High-wing/low-wing are two come around a bit too often, along with the P1CUS on a checkride one and the slagging match between PFAers and flying-school PA28 drivers (or any other two groups you care to mention). There's also the endless IMC debates about flying an ILS in OVC020, flying VFR "on top" in France and what the ANO does or doesn't say and whether or not noscitur a sociis applies...
Stick or Yoke and High-wing/low-wing are two come around a bit too often, along with the P1CUS on a checkride one and the slagging match between PFAers and flying-school PA28 drivers (or any other two groups you care to mention). There's also the endless IMC debates about flying an ILS in OVC020, flying VFR "on top" in France and what the ANO does or doesn't say and whether or not noscitur a sociis applies...
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My plan is to study for the ATPL exams at the same time as my GCSEs. Are they really hard? I looked at the PPL stuff and it all makes sense so I think the ATPLs will be OK. I want to finish them before May because my parents are taking us to Florida for 3 weeks and I could do the CPL while I'm there and then I'd be ready for the airlines summer recruitment. Is this a good plan?
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I don't really mind people asking questions that have been asked before, because the people asking are usually new to PPRUNE.
However occasionaly someone askes a question, that was so recently asked, that it's only a few lines down on the first page of threads! Now they do upset me
Oh, I suspose also the "what is the landing fee for x"....why not just pick up the phone and ring them and ask?
However occasionaly someone askes a question, that was so recently asked, that it's only a few lines down on the first page of threads! Now they do upset me
Oh, I suspose also the "what is the landing fee for x"....why not just pick up the phone and ring them and ask?
Has anyone been to O.... err, that place in Florida.
posts in txtmsg yoofspeak, 'i' for 'I', 'u' for 'You'.....
Can anyone suggest a headset
How many microlight hours can I use towards my ATPL?
posts in txtmsg yoofspeak, 'i' for 'I', 'u' for 'You'.....
Can anyone suggest a headset
How many microlight hours can I use towards my ATPL?
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I have no problem at all with people asking about things which have been asked before.
Don't we all reread a good book or listen to the same record a few times over?
As said before they are usually asked by new people either to the board or aviation. The search function until recently had been disabled for a long time.
If we are talking about pet hates then it has to be: People knowingly talking b*ll*x or being misinformed and unable or willing to accept that they may actually be incorrect.
Something which would obviously never happen to me!
FD
Don't we all reread a good book or listen to the same record a few times over?
As said before they are usually asked by new people either to the board or aviation. The search function until recently had been disabled for a long time.
If we are talking about pet hates then it has to be: People knowingly talking b*ll*x or being misinformed and unable or willing to accept that they may actually be incorrect.
Something which would obviously never happen to me!
FD
I suppose the two that I've noticed reappearing most are (1) what type should I learn on, and (2) how should I fill out my logbook.
Seriously, I hit this problem on the FT forum (where I'm moderator for my sins). I solved it by creating a permanent "FAQ" sticky here which points to the most complete threads on the most common questions. It seems to have worked well - maybe you should try the same BRL?
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Seriously, I hit this problem on the FT forum (where I'm moderator for my sins). I solved it by creating a permanent "FAQ" sticky here which points to the most complete threads on the most common questions. It seems to have worked well - maybe you should try the same BRL?
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Um....might seem too simple, but I just don't open the ones I don't want read. Pink Headsets, as referred to above, I haven't looked at for over a year, and even then it seemed unbelievably tired, but hey! it's not for me and it is for others...I just don't notice it any more. Same goes for "best school in Florida", "Who's going to Sun'n'Fun", "How do I convert to FAA" and so on, which I don't care about but others do.
The only ones that irritate me somewhat are the ones with vague titles like "Question" or "Can anyone help me?" But now I don't open them either, so it is the poster's loss that he doesn't get to mine the seam of my limitless knowledge* because he hasn't interested me in the subject line
Timothy
*PS For the autistic on the forum, that was a joke, I don't need PMs about humility thank you.
The only ones that irritate me somewhat are the ones with vague titles like "Question" or "Can anyone help me?" But now I don't open them either, so it is the poster's loss that he doesn't get to mine the seam of my limitless knowledge* because he hasn't interested me in the subject line
Timothy
*PS For the autistic on the forum, that was a joke, I don't need PMs about humility thank you.
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Ranty-ranty-rant-rant
Keep it up, fellow ranters! I'm certainly not objecting to people asking questions that have been asked before. The response "why don't you use the search function, you t***er?"
can be thought a tad unfriendly. No one could mind student pilots raising topics that it's pretty natural to be curious about , particularly when taking lessons (although one might wonder, given some of the questions, if some students and instructors ever speak to one another). Allowing for this, there's still enough pointless stuff (various examples listed above) to make you wish to chew the furniture. I know that it is customary on pprune to adopt a saintly attitude and say "there are no silly questions, just silly answers", but I venture that you can stretch this point too far.
PS: Hear hear, Beagle, on the subject of txt yoofspeak. Ranting yet further, why is the internet assumed to be a safe haven for wretched spelling, punctuation and grammar?
I shall now go and take my medication.
PS: The obvious solution of "don't read the stuff" is of course a sound one, but fails to take sufficient account of the Curse of Pprune, which compels the afflicted to spend time that could profitably be spent elsewhere reading endless threads about the door handles on sub variants of spam cans. There is no known cure for this, except perhaps going flying, but whoever heard of anyone doing that.
can be thought a tad unfriendly. No one could mind student pilots raising topics that it's pretty natural to be curious about , particularly when taking lessons (although one might wonder, given some of the questions, if some students and instructors ever speak to one another). Allowing for this, there's still enough pointless stuff (various examples listed above) to make you wish to chew the furniture. I know that it is customary on pprune to adopt a saintly attitude and say "there are no silly questions, just silly answers", but I venture that you can stretch this point too far.
PS: Hear hear, Beagle, on the subject of txt yoofspeak. Ranting yet further, why is the internet assumed to be a safe haven for wretched spelling, punctuation and grammar?
I shall now go and take my medication.
PS: The obvious solution of "don't read the stuff" is of course a sound one, but fails to take sufficient account of the Curse of Pprune, which compels the afflicted to spend time that could profitably be spent elsewhere reading endless threads about the door handles on sub variants of spam cans. There is no known cure for this, except perhaps going flying, but whoever heard of anyone doing that.
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I think there should be a "sell-by-date" on the "Stickys". They take up most of the screen, and clutter the new posts.
By the way, can anyone recommend what sort of GPS I should buy, I'm thinking about becoming an airline pilot, and want to know how much money its going to cost me and also, in how many hours should I do my first solo?
By the way, can anyone recommend what sort of GPS I should buy, I'm thinking about becoming an airline pilot, and want to know how much money its going to cost me and also, in how many hours should I do my first solo?
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One of the reasons why an "FAQ" will never satisfy a lot of people is that a lot of the answers given here to the frequent questions are unclear or simply wrong.
If the person asking doesn't have a clue, they may well go away and be happy with the answer (right or wrong).
But if someone does have a clue (and this is what the internet is so very good for - getting generally clued up about issues and thus finding out what questions to ask) they may well want to ask again, because they can see the previous thread on the subject was inconclusive, or they suspect the answers in it were wrong.
Take the N-reg / FAA PPL/IR privileges in G-reg / N-reg planes for example. You never see so much confusion (and occassionally rubbish) in one place. Only an aviation lawyer or a CAA official, prepared to go on the record, would be able to settle these issues, and this has to date never happened on the internet, to my knowledge.
(Incidentally I do wonder why the CAA never go on the record; it would do a lot of good. Instead they just hide behind unanswered faxes/emails, choosing very carefully which ones they answer, or not)
So many threads will just repeat.
If the person asking doesn't have a clue, they may well go away and be happy with the answer (right or wrong).
But if someone does have a clue (and this is what the internet is so very good for - getting generally clued up about issues and thus finding out what questions to ask) they may well want to ask again, because they can see the previous thread on the subject was inconclusive, or they suspect the answers in it were wrong.
Take the N-reg / FAA PPL/IR privileges in G-reg / N-reg planes for example. You never see so much confusion (and occassionally rubbish) in one place. Only an aviation lawyer or a CAA official, prepared to go on the record, would be able to settle these issues, and this has to date never happened on the internet, to my knowledge.
(Incidentally I do wonder why the CAA never go on the record; it would do a lot of good. Instead they just hide behind unanswered faxes/emails, choosing very carefully which ones they answer, or not)
So many threads will just repeat.
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IO,
I understand that one of the reasons why one cannot get a clear answer to many of the questions in aviation is that these are regulations made up by the CAA rather than law as in made in parliament.
The final interpretation therefore will depend on case law as decided by the courts.
No doubt those with a legal degree can explain this a lot better than I can.
FD
I understand that one of the reasons why one cannot get a clear answer to many of the questions in aviation is that these are regulations made up by the CAA rather than law as in made in parliament.
The final interpretation therefore will depend on case law as decided by the courts.
No doubt those with a legal degree can explain this a lot better than I can.
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I'm glad this thread has emerged because you will now hear Mono' in 5th gear.....
1. The "what GPS should I buy" threads really spin my swede as there have been at least twenty of these in the last 2 years.
2. " How much does it cost to run an aircraft" must have been killed by now. The basic answer always comes out the same........................A LOT!!!!!
3. "My first solo" does grate me but I suppose it's only because it has been so long since mine that I can't bloody remember and I'm only 31!!!!!
4. The "what aircraft should I learn in" is a winner! I'm dying to reply one day saying that they should learn in the a/c their instructor bloody well tells them to!
5. "Where should I learn in America". Say no more......if you're gonna learn there then bloody well stay there and fly there for all I care. If you then feel up to putting up to the vaguaries of the UK climate then come and have a go if you think you're tough enough!
AND MY MOST ANNOYING (HENCE THE CAPITALS) IS.............
6. THE PIPER WARRIOR/ARCHER/ARROW TARMAC HUGGING BRIGADE. THOSE WHO HAVE FLOWN 500 HOURS FROM "MOTORWAY" AIRFIELDS AND THEN MOAN WHEN THEY HAVE TO FIND A WAY IN TO LESS THAN 700 YDS OF BUMPY GRASS. THE MOST ANNOYING ARE THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON SHORT FIELD LANDING TECHNIQUES WHEN THE BEST THEY HAVE ACHIEVED IS TURNING OFF THE TARMAC SLIGHTLY SHORTER THAN THEY WERE INSTRUCTED TO!!!!
THE SHORT FIELDERS OF THIS FORUM (QDMQDMQDM, SHORTSTIPPER, LOWNSLOW etc.) HOPEFULLY WILL BACK ME UP HERE................................
For crying out loud, there are people discussing "variable flap technique on finals in a Warrior for short field performance". Sorry chaps, the Warrior is as short field performing as my Land Rover Defender is Hockenheim performing. You've got a horse to ride so stick to the course it's designed for. Gengis hits the nail on the head in his reply tonight.
1. The "what GPS should I buy" threads really spin my swede as there have been at least twenty of these in the last 2 years.
2. " How much does it cost to run an aircraft" must have been killed by now. The basic answer always comes out the same........................A LOT!!!!!
3. "My first solo" does grate me but I suppose it's only because it has been so long since mine that I can't bloody remember and I'm only 31!!!!!
4. The "what aircraft should I learn in" is a winner! I'm dying to reply one day saying that they should learn in the a/c their instructor bloody well tells them to!
5. "Where should I learn in America". Say no more......if you're gonna learn there then bloody well stay there and fly there for all I care. If you then feel up to putting up to the vaguaries of the UK climate then come and have a go if you think you're tough enough!
AND MY MOST ANNOYING (HENCE THE CAPITALS) IS.............
6. THE PIPER WARRIOR/ARCHER/ARROW TARMAC HUGGING BRIGADE. THOSE WHO HAVE FLOWN 500 HOURS FROM "MOTORWAY" AIRFIELDS AND THEN MOAN WHEN THEY HAVE TO FIND A WAY IN TO LESS THAN 700 YDS OF BUMPY GRASS. THE MOST ANNOYING ARE THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON SHORT FIELD LANDING TECHNIQUES WHEN THE BEST THEY HAVE ACHIEVED IS TURNING OFF THE TARMAC SLIGHTLY SHORTER THAN THEY WERE INSTRUCTED TO!!!!
THE SHORT FIELDERS OF THIS FORUM (QDMQDMQDM, SHORTSTIPPER, LOWNSLOW etc.) HOPEFULLY WILL BACK ME UP HERE................................
For crying out loud, there are people discussing "variable flap technique on finals in a Warrior for short field performance". Sorry chaps, the Warrior is as short field performing as my Land Rover Defender is Hockenheim performing. You've got a horse to ride so stick to the course it's designed for. Gengis hits the nail on the head in his reply tonight.
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The thing that gets up my nose the most is the 50hr PPL who thinks he/she knows everything about aviation, bar none. Most of it gleaned from MS Flight Sim 2000 or the flying club bar no doubt
And Monocock, agree 1000% with your verdict on the Warrior thread....
Want to land short-field? Get a Piper Cub!
And Monocock, agree 1000% with your verdict on the Warrior thread....
Want to land short-field? Get a Piper Cub!
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Well done Monocock, now that's what I call a rant.
PS: please don't get too serious about all this, people. Working Hard recently had a gentle dig at the slightly silly use of airfield codes when chatting about flying, but people took it all with grim seriousness for about 92 pages. This thread is primarily intended to afford an opportunity to blow off steam (not least by being rude about people who stay up late worrying if they should learn in in something that looks like s**t and flies worse or in something that looks worse and flies like S**t).
PPS: breaking my own rule and being serious for a moment: FD, Parliament approves all of the Regulations, and laws are in any event no more guaranteed to be clear or to provide for all eventualities (this latter being impossible) if made by primary legislation than if made by secondary regulation.
PS: please don't get too serious about all this, people. Working Hard recently had a gentle dig at the slightly silly use of airfield codes when chatting about flying, but people took it all with grim seriousness for about 92 pages. This thread is primarily intended to afford an opportunity to blow off steam (not least by being rude about people who stay up late worrying if they should learn in in something that looks like s**t and flies worse or in something that looks worse and flies like S**t).
PPS: breaking my own rule and being serious for a moment: FD, Parliament approves all of the Regulations, and laws are in any event no more guaranteed to be clear or to provide for all eventualities (this latter being impossible) if made by primary legislation than if made by secondary regulation.
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Ahhh but not everyone who visits these forums is entirely up to speed with every previous post content as are some others. It is clear from some of the postings that the author asking the question is most likely a new poster and it takes a very short time for one of the veterans here to actually post a link or indeed send a PM explaining the search function. All of us were new to these forums once, patience costs nothing, and threads such as this in my view serve to scare off newcomers. Not everyone is acquainted with the search function, the operation of which is historically intermittent in any event.
My only annoyance is postings from people who ask a question which is currently under discussion on another thread within the same forum.
My only annoyance is postings from people who ask a question which is currently under discussion on another thread within the same forum.