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You've answered that question I was about to post!! I'm off to Vienna a week on Friday and plan to fly along the Alps as you describe, passing right by Whirly in Salzburg on the way. I was looking to stop somewhere overnight on the way and was wondering if anyone has been to Konstanz. So now I know!
I'm armed with the Bottland for half of western Europe, and about 8 of the Jepp VFR+GPS maps, so we are just about ready. I hope to compare notes on this thread with Whirly when we get back.
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You've answered that question I was about to post!! I'm off to Vienna a week on Friday and plan to fly along the Alps as you describe, passing right by Whirly in Salzburg on the way. I was looking to stop somewhere overnight on the way and was wondering if anyone has been to Konstanz. So now I know!
I'm armed with the Bottland for half of western Europe, and about 8 of the Jepp VFR+GPS maps, so we are just about ready. I hope to compare notes on this thread with Whirly when we get back.
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hi Whirly,
just now reading about your planned flight. If you should plan Egelsbach (EDFE) in your route, then I can recommend not only a nice, inexpensive, place to eat, but also a FREE place to stay over
Please send me a mail or pm if your interested.
Westy
just now reading about your planned flight. If you should plan Egelsbach (EDFE) in your route, then I can recommend not only a nice, inexpensive, place to eat, but also a FREE place to stay over
Please send me a mail or pm if your interested.Westy
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Info on Germany
WestWind certainly is a very fine source of information about flying in Germany. You may also send me a PM with detailed questions.
Keep 'em up.
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Keep 'em up.
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Since Mrs Romeo is minding her own stuff, I find some time to answer your questions.
1. There is no general restriction for noisy aircraft on German airfields. If your aircraft meets your national regulations then there is no promlem flying in Germany. As stated above, you'll probably be asked to present the a/c's noise certificate. The lack thereof will in most cases result in significantly higher landing fees.
2. "Flat" is in the eye of the beholder. The south of Germany is litterally littered with mountains and rivers, resulting in a change of weather every other 50 NM. The closer you get to the Alps, the more influence effects like foehn have. As long as you are not counting minutes going VFR will not be a problem.
3. The most important rule concerning airfields in Germany is when they're closed they're closed. Many smaller airfields are operating on weekends only, landing there during the week might even result in legal prosecution, sued more often than not by neighbours complaining about noise.
You are not required to file flightplans in Germany or in Austria, as long as you are not crossing the border, eg to and from France or Belgium. There is no need for flightplans crossing from Germany to Austria.
4. I'd strongly suggest tuning onto FIS frequency while en-route. First of all they speak English and can help you negotiating restricted areas. Many of the smaller airfields are run by local flying clubs and are German only, even though English may be understood. If you appreciate help getting in and out of places you might consider planning via airports with class D or class F airspace, however avoiding the larger ones (all with EDDx as designator). It's for example Friedrichshafen (EDNY), Augsburg (EDMA), Mannheim (EDFM), Karlsruhe-Baden (EDSB), Schwäbisch Hall (EDTY) or Zweibrücken (EDRZ), most are Radar equipped and can guide you along. Other airfields you might think about are Freiburg (EDTF), Mosbach-Lohrbach (EDEM), Rothenburg (EDFR), Egelsbach (EDFE) or Landshut (EDML). I can't give you any information on places to stay at or to find something to eat. Most fields will have a restaurant close by and certainly a helpful soul pointing you in the right direction.
5. I won't comment on maps. As stated above, check with your local dealer and see which suit you best.
Final comment: As long as you know your stuff, flying in Germany is very relaxed and easy. Just hit the starter swich and off you go. I hope you enjoy the time.
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1. There is no general restriction for noisy aircraft on German airfields. If your aircraft meets your national regulations then there is no promlem flying in Germany. As stated above, you'll probably be asked to present the a/c's noise certificate. The lack thereof will in most cases result in significantly higher landing fees.
2. "Flat" is in the eye of the beholder. The south of Germany is litterally littered with mountains and rivers, resulting in a change of weather every other 50 NM. The closer you get to the Alps, the more influence effects like foehn have. As long as you are not counting minutes going VFR will not be a problem.
3. The most important rule concerning airfields in Germany is when they're closed they're closed. Many smaller airfields are operating on weekends only, landing there during the week might even result in legal prosecution, sued more often than not by neighbours complaining about noise.
You are not required to file flightplans in Germany or in Austria, as long as you are not crossing the border, eg to and from France or Belgium. There is no need for flightplans crossing from Germany to Austria.
4. I'd strongly suggest tuning onto FIS frequency while en-route. First of all they speak English and can help you negotiating restricted areas. Many of the smaller airfields are run by local flying clubs and are German only, even though English may be understood. If you appreciate help getting in and out of places you might consider planning via airports with class D or class F airspace, however avoiding the larger ones (all with EDDx as designator). It's for example Friedrichshafen (EDNY), Augsburg (EDMA), Mannheim (EDFM), Karlsruhe-Baden (EDSB), Schwäbisch Hall (EDTY) or Zweibrücken (EDRZ), most are Radar equipped and can guide you along. Other airfields you might think about are Freiburg (EDTF), Mosbach-Lohrbach (EDEM), Rothenburg (EDFR), Egelsbach (EDFE) or Landshut (EDML). I can't give you any information on places to stay at or to find something to eat. Most fields will have a restaurant close by and certainly a helpful soul pointing you in the right direction.
5. I won't comment on maps. As stated above, check with your local dealer and see which suit you best.
Final comment: As long as you know your stuff, flying in Germany is very relaxed and easy. Just hit the starter swich and off you go. I hope you enjoy the time.
FR
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Wow, thanks people, I'm glad I resurrected this thread.
Pilot Warehouse sent the 2003 charts, saying they'd exchange them for 2004 if they got those in time. They arrived today, and I've been happily route planning when I should be working. I fancied Freidrichshavn or Konstanz...preferably the latter as we like small airfields. Then I looked on here...so good to know it's recommended. English speaking is not a requirement as my co-pilot is fairly fluent in French and German...but it's nice if I can understand things too.
Westy, I'll look up Egelsbach on the chart, and pm you if it looks like we might stop there. Could always do that one on the way back, perhaps.
What else...we're taking lots of cash so will be OK for fuel at smaller airfields. What about oil? Is that usually available if needed?
I'll update this before we leave, if not before, and look forward to comparing notes with PhilD when we get back.
Thanks again to you all.
Pilot Warehouse sent the 2003 charts, saying they'd exchange them for 2004 if they got those in time. They arrived today, and I've been happily route planning when I should be working. I fancied Freidrichshavn or Konstanz...preferably the latter as we like small airfields. Then I looked on here...so good to know it's recommended. English speaking is not a requirement as my co-pilot is fairly fluent in French and German...but it's nice if I can understand things too.
Westy, I'll look up Egelsbach on the chart, and pm you if it looks like we might stop there. Could always do that one on the way back, perhaps.
What else...we're taking lots of cash so will be OK for fuel at smaller airfields. What about oil? Is that usually available if needed?
I'll update this before we leave, if not before, and look forward to comparing notes with PhilD when we get back.
Thanks again to you all.
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http://www.flugplatz-konstanz.de/
if you hadn't found it already
I had a few problems with oil but just because I use 15W50 which wasn't always available. There was plenty of other oil available.
One other thing - when I was there a couple of weeks back, there was a fair bit of temporarily reserved airspace north of the German border and south of Munich which was being used in a military exercise. It wasn't marked on maps but it was notamed and there was a notam publication which had a graphical description of the area. Probably finished now but worth checking.
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I had a few problems with oil but just because I use 15W50 which wasn't always available. There was plenty of other oil available.
One other thing - when I was there a couple of weeks back, there was a fair bit of temporarily reserved airspace north of the German border and south of Munich which was being used in a military exercise. It wasn't marked on maps but it was notamed and there was a notam publication which had a graphical description of the area. Probably finished now but worth checking.
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The above mentioned military exercise is already terminated. So don't worry about it.
Since your companion knows German let him check out www.eddh.de You'll find loads of more or less useless information on German airfields.
Have fun,
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Since your companion knows German let him check out www.eddh.de You'll find loads of more or less useless information on German airfields.
Have fun,
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Westy,
Egelsbach is too far north for the charts we've got, sorry.
FoxRomeo,
My linguistically talented co-pilot is a "she", not that it matters.
AimFar,
We use 15W50 oil as well, but the airfield maintenance engineer assures me we can use any Shell oil if we have to. But I'm taking a couple of litres along in any case.
Well, we now have up-to-date charts, and are ready...sort of, anyway. We leave tomorrow, but only as far as Manston...it's a long way from Sleap, and we don't want to do a channel crossing late afternoon in a rush, especially as the wx for the week is looking great, so there's no hurry. As for the rest...all advice taken on board, and hopefully we'll follow some of it....since I like the sound of Konstanz anyway. If I get time and internet access I'm post details while we're away; if not I'll do it when we get back - around 4th June.
And thanks again for all the advice. Any last minute thoughts, post them here and I'll check tonight.
Egelsbach is too far north for the charts we've got, sorry.
FoxRomeo,
My linguistically talented co-pilot is a "she", not that it matters.
AimFar,
We use 15W50 oil as well, but the airfield maintenance engineer assures me we can use any Shell oil if we have to. But I'm taking a couple of litres along in any case.
Well, we now have up-to-date charts, and are ready...sort of, anyway. We leave tomorrow, but only as far as Manston...it's a long way from Sleap, and we don't want to do a channel crossing late afternoon in a rush, especially as the wx for the week is looking great, so there's no hurry. As for the rest...all advice taken on board, and hopefully we'll follow some of it....since I like the sound of Konstanz anyway. If I get time and internet access I'm post details while we're away; if not I'll do it when we get back - around 4th June.
And thanks again for all the advice.
Any last minute thoughts, post them here and I'll check tonight.
