Flying schools in the SE, warriors.
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Flying schools in the SE, warriors.
Hiya.
I have been looking into training with BAFC at wycombe, but I am looking for other flying schools in close proximity to this area that fly piper Warriors. Can anyone recomend any? Booker is the closest to me, and I plan on joining the club because I get discount (British Airways). However, because they fly warriors, I would like to learn on this type too.
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I have been looking into training with BAFC at wycombe, but I am looking for other flying schools in close proximity to this area that fly piper Warriors. Can anyone recomend any? Booker is the closest to me, and I plan on joining the club because I get discount (British Airways). However, because they fly warriors, I would like to learn on this type too.
Thanks
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Jau, Although BAFC have Warriors, as far as I know they do their PPL training in PA-38s (Tomahawks). Do you have a specific reason for wanting to do your PPL in a 4 seater rather than a 2 seater? A lot of people do their PPL training in 2 seaters, and then convert to the 4 seater once they'll got their license. Its usually cheaper this way.
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If you're happy to travel half an hour down the M40 from Booker then you might consider The Pilot Centre at Denham, which has a few Warriors and is significantly cheaper than either of the outfits at WAP. Nice people, too.
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(As an aside, I'm pretty sure that WAC's PA28 is an Archer and not a Warrior.)
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(As an aside, I'm pretty sure that WAC's PA28 is an Archer and not a Warrior.)
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Right first time
Jau
It is not often that a tyro has the luck to walk into one of the best PPL training establishments in the country at a first attempt.
You will have to go far to better the BAFC deal , the other places that do a good job are the Wycombe air centre and the WLAC at white waltham.
If you investigate at the Cabair group take a very hard look at the small print , no problem with the finished product but a lot of "add on" cost !.
With the BAFC "what they say is what you pay !".
It is not often that a tyro has the luck to walk into one of the best PPL training establishments in the country at a first attempt.
You will have to go far to better the BAFC deal , the other places that do a good job are the Wycombe air centre and the WLAC at white waltham.
If you investigate at the Cabair group take a very hard look at the small print , no problem with the finished product but a lot of "add on" cost !.
With the BAFC "what they say is what you pay !".
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Jau
British Airways FC have four PA38s and four PA28 Warriors (will be five in a couple of months time) and a Dakota for touring. Oh, and a Chipmunk!
To the best of my knowledge the PPL training is done in either the Tomahawk or Warrior, depending on what the customer prefers.
Have a trial lesson (it counts towards the required course hours) and you probably won't bother looking elsewhere!
Enjoy.
British Airways FC have four PA38s and four PA28 Warriors (will be five in a couple of months time) and a Dakota for touring. Oh, and a Chipmunk!
To the best of my knowledge the PPL training is done in either the Tomahawk or Warrior, depending on what the customer prefers.
Have a trial lesson (it counts towards the required course hours) and you probably won't bother looking elsewhere!
Enjoy.
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I'd agree that Warriors are not the ideal trainer - they are too docile to learn about some aspects of handling that may become important when or if you move on to more challenging types later.
But Warriors do make a brilliant low hours tourer because of this aspect, so if it were me, I learn on the Tomahawk to at least ex12/13 and if you want to convert to the Warrior for x-country, it could make sense.
I'd agree that Warriors are not the ideal trainer - they are too docile to learn about some aspects of handling that may become important when or if you move on to more challenging types later.
But Warriors do make a brilliant low hours tourer because of this aspect, so if it were me, I learn on the Tomahawk to at least ex12/13 and if you want to convert to the Warrior for x-country, it could make sense.
I enjoy both types, and regularly fly a Warrrior, but tend to agree. The PA38 has many atttributes that make it a good trainer,and the PA28 has many attributes that make it a good tourer.
You can happily train or tour on both, but I think that most people think of the PA38 as the better trainer - and once licensed you'll only need an hour or so in the PA28 Warrior / Archer / Dakota / etc. to be able to use that.
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You can happily train or tour on both, but I think that most people think of the PA38 as the better trainer - and once licensed you'll only need an hour or so in the PA28 Warrior / Archer / Dakota / etc. to be able to use that.
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I hate to differ with someone of your qualifications and experience (which is many fold more than mine) and I do agree that the odd hour or two will take a low hour PPL from the 38 to the 151, 161 and 181, but to me, a -236 is a different proposition.
Its heavier and demands careful landing (i.e. flare 'pull' required is rather more than the Warriors & Archers), it is much faster in the cruise, CSP/manifold pressure to get used to and its injected (i.e. hot starts are challenging.)
By no means a 'hot ship', but needs a bit more than the odd hour of differences training IMHO.
I hate to differ with someone of your qualifications and experience (which is many fold more than mine) and I do agree that the odd hour or two will take a low hour PPL from the 38 to the 151, 161 and 181, but to me, a -236 is a different proposition.
Its heavier and demands careful landing (i.e. flare 'pull' required is rather more than the Warriors & Archers), it is much faster in the cruise, CSP/manifold pressure to get used to and its injected (i.e. hot starts are challenging.)
By no means a 'hot ship', but needs a bit more than the odd hour of differences training IMHO.
Fair point, but not all that much more training. I flew a -235c as a low hour PPL (albeit one with a fair bit of non-PPL aeronautical experience) a few times, and didn't struggle particularly. Does require a good briefing and a VP prop checkout.
Incidentally I now fly a syndicated -161 for recreation and business trips, and frankly can't see that the big engine offers any particular cost-advantage for such trips. I would like a VP prop on it 'though.
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Incidentally I now fly a syndicated -161 for recreation and business trips, and frankly can't see that the big engine offers any particular cost-advantage for such trips. I would like a VP prop on it 'though.
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Agreed. A few, rather than many hours and its silly stuff like the impact of an extra 20-30 kts on nav skills that are the gotchas, along with the heavier weight for landing .... but maybe that is more significant with the taper wing Daks and Warriors, than with the slab wings.
I find that the Daks (and Arrow 4s) tend to 'sit down a little nose heavy', whereas the Warriors and Archers are more floaty and forgiving, whereas the slab wing Cherokees all needed a bit of a pull :-)
I went on to a PA32 at 74 hours TT and didn;t find it too hard either, but I needed 3-4 hours in the circuit to really get the handle on landing it consistenly - taking off was never a problem 2 up wtih 300HP!
A well sorted -161 must be a nice tourer. My bulk of PA28 hours (120 or so) are on the -181 which is a lovely aeroplane IMHO, I'd buy one tomorrow if I won the lottery, although it would be a II, as I'm not keen on the lowered roofline of the III, even though it has a nicer panel and overhead electric priming and start switches - give me the extra vis any time :-)
I find that the Daks (and Arrow 4s) tend to 'sit down a little nose heavy', whereas the Warriors and Archers are more floaty and forgiving, whereas the slab wing Cherokees all needed a bit of a pull :-)
I went on to a PA32 at 74 hours TT and didn;t find it too hard either, but I needed 3-4 hours in the circuit to really get the handle on landing it consistenly - taking off was never a problem 2 up wtih 300HP!
A well sorted -161 must be a nice tourer. My bulk of PA28 hours (120 or so) are on the -181 which is a lovely aeroplane IMHO, I'd buy one tomorrow if I won the lottery, although it would be a II, as I'm not keen on the lowered roofline of the III, even though it has a nicer panel and overhead electric priming and start switches - give me the extra vis any time :-)
