JAR PPL Logbook entries
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JAR PPL Logbook entries
I am a student PPL on PA28-140 and I have a few questions regarding JAR PPL Logbook entries.
1. On training flights with an instructor, are the instructors licence details needed in the remarks column?
2. If you have flown as a crew member (student ppl) in the left hand seat, but the captain is not a flight instructor, what can you put in your logbook under holders operating capacity?
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Phugoid
1. On training flights with an instructor, are the instructors licence details needed in the remarks column?
2. If you have flown as a crew member (student ppl) in the left hand seat, but the captain is not a flight instructor, what can you put in your logbook under holders operating capacity?
Regards
Phugoid
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1. No. Unless it's your biennial 1 hr dual training flight, in which case 'satisfactory' should also be entered.
2. Passenger. You may NOT fly the ac without a FI when pre-PPL unless you're flying a supervised solo exercise.
2. Passenger. You may NOT fly the ac without a FI when pre-PPL unless you're flying a supervised solo exercise.
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1. Not for a normal PPL training flight, although there are times when you would want to note it (e.g. for differences training or the 'hour with an instructor' needed for licence renewal).
2. You can log it as SNY if you like, in the "other flying" column, but it doesn't count towards licence issue. The chap in the right hand seat logs P1.
2. You can log it as SNY if you like, in the "other flying" column, but it doesn't count towards licence issue. The chap in the right hand seat logs P1.
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I agree with both BEagle and Evo. To add to their replies, though:
1. I think that FARs require the instructor's license details. It's certainly common practice in the US, even if it's not required. But it is not required under JARs. That may be a possible source of confusion.
2. It's your logbook, so you can put whatever you want in it. But you can't count those hours towards anything at all. According to the CAA, "SNY" is the "correct" way of logging this (it stands for Supernumary), as Evo says, but you can record it however you want as long as it's clear that the numbers aren't included in your total.
FFF
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1. I think that FARs require the instructor's license details. It's certainly common practice in the US, even if it's not required. But it is not required under JARs. That may be a possible source of confusion.
2. It's your logbook, so you can put whatever you want in it. But you can't count those hours towards anything at all. According to the CAA, "SNY" is the "correct" way of logging this (it stands for Supernumary), as Evo says, but you can record it however you want as long as it's clear that the numbers aren't included in your total.
FFF
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