That's not a license!
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From: Kilmacolm
YYZ,
But two weeks is more than enough for them to rob you of your money. That was probably done within a day or two of them received your application...
They're probably just getting around to checking to ensure your application is all there and correct.
Best wishes,
Charlie Zulu.
But two weeks is more than enough for them to rob you of your money. That was probably done within a day or two of them received your application...
They're probably just getting around to checking to ensure your application is all there and correct.
Best wishes,
Charlie Zulu.
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From: London, UK
YYZ
If it helps, posted my paperwork off on 24-Sep and got the licence back yesterday (21-Sep*).
Mind you they had me going a few times: Last Monday a recorded delivery from the CAA ... ripped it open ... passport. Next day another missive from them ... ripped it open ... receipt.
Hope yours arrives soon.
Duncan
*Edited to add ... I meant 21-Oct not 21-Sep for the license arriving!
Mind you they had me going a few times: Last Monday a recorded delivery from the CAA ... ripped it open ... passport. Next day another missive from them ... ripped it open ... receipt.
Hope yours arrives soon.
Duncan
*Edited to add ... I meant 21-Oct not 21-Sep for the license arriving!
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From: Outlawed
Well spotted 0918, you're obviously a very clever man and not in any way a pointless pedant...
PS Re your post about Concorde on another thread - the plural of Concorde is Concordes, not Concorde's.
PS Re your post about Concorde on another thread - the plural of Concorde is Concordes, not Concorde's.
Official PPRuNe Chaplain
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From: Witnesham, Suffolk
Thanks for that, CZ - I've sent off for one of they new placcy ones from the FAA. $2 for a new one is pretty good value, methinks!
I'll keep the old ones (all three of them) cos they may have historical value some day!
I'll keep the old ones (all three of them) cos they may have historical value some day!
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From: Who cares? ;-)
At the moment some agencies in Germany need 8 to 11 weeks!! for processing the new licences! We don't need to send in passports or such... that would really cause trouble here.
The paper is a special white paper, no wallets (get your own!) and special HP laser printers are needed... ones that print on the sleek paper without making a mess, now or later.
Again, isn't European harmonisation great?
Westy
The paper is a special white paper, no wallets (get your own!) and special HP laser printers are needed... ones that print on the sleek paper without making a mess, now or later.
Again, isn't European harmonisation great?
Westy
The Original Whirly
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From: Belper, Derbyshire, UK
Oooo, thanks guys. I'll get a new FAA one for $2 then. I never did like that silly bit of card...though it let me fly in the US so what the hell.
As for JAR licences, I just object to the fact that they have to be renewed. I'd far rather pay around £200 for something I've got for life, than pay a bit less and have to remember yet another date...date of next medical, next f/w biannual check, next rotary annual LPC, R44 rating (forgot and expired), night rating (never did any night flying and it expired)...and ...oh yes, don't let that licence expire!!!!
There's just too much to remember.
Hmm, maybe we should start a new thread on this.
As for JAR licences, I just object to the fact that they have to be renewed. I'd far rather pay around £200 for something I've got for life, than pay a bit less and have to remember yet another date...date of next medical, next f/w biannual check, next rotary annual LPC, R44 rating (forgot and expired), night rating (never did any night flying and it expired)...and ...oh yes, don't let that licence expire!!!!
There's just too much to remember. Hmm, maybe we should start a new thread on this.
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From: Kelowna Wine Country
I still have my original licence which is a tan canvas stiff cover with a red cord thru to keep the pages in, rather classy, but then passports were in a stiff blue cover then, they were classy too.
My Canadian licence was, physically a bit of a disappointment, just a 4" x 6" piece of rather thing paper, If I put it in my wallet it'll disintegrate in a month so I keep it folded in the old cover.
My Canadian licence was, physically a bit of a disappointment, just a 4" x 6" piece of rather thing paper, If I put it in my wallet it'll disintegrate in a month so I keep it folded in the old cover.
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From: London, England
Nine Eighteen Licence is the US version. License is the UK spelling.
P.S. The FAA call it an 'Airman Certificate' anyway, if you want to be 100% accurate.
9 Eighteen
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From: Dorset
Bejasus, you get all sorts of discussions on Private Flying, don't you??!!
Just checked the copy of Concise Oxford Dictionary (5th Edition, from around 1968) that I have at work and -ence is given as the primary spelling for the noun (eg the Private Pilots Licence) with -ense given as an alternate spelling. However, -ense is given as the primary spelling for the verb (eg the CAA licenses pilots) with -ence given as an alternate spelling.
Traditionally, the -ense ending is regarded as being the US version, but my dictionary (old as it may be) does not uniquely accredit that spelling to the US alone. I'm personally in the -ence camp, myself!!
Just checked the copy of Concise Oxford Dictionary (5th Edition, from around 1968) that I have at work and -ence is given as the primary spelling for the noun (eg the Private Pilots Licence) with -ense given as an alternate spelling. However, -ense is given as the primary spelling for the verb (eg the CAA licenses pilots) with -ence given as an alternate spelling.
Traditionally, the -ense ending is regarded as being the US version, but my dictionary (old as it may be) does not uniquely accredit that spelling to the US alone. I'm personally in the -ence camp, myself!!
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From: Dublin
CB is correct. "ce" refers to the actual document, or right. "se" is the act of granting the right.
As for replacing the US cardboard...It looks like they want me to go throught the whole process of verifying my foreign licence again! Surely can't be true, since I only did that last year, and they know now it's genuine! It's not the hassle that's the problem here, but the requirement to present myself at a FSDO! I think I'll stick with my bit of cardboard
As for replacing the US cardboard...It looks like they want me to go throught the whole process of verifying my foreign licence again! Surely can't be true, since I only did that last year, and they know now it's genuine! It's not the hassle that's the problem here, but the requirement to present myself at a FSDO! I think I'll stick with my bit of cardboard
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From: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Not wrong Whirly!
I have:
Oz licence - permanently valid (Yay!)
Oz IR - renew yearly (boo hiss)
Oz instructor - two yearly
Oz medical - yearly
UK licence - national not JAR - perm. valid (another Yay!)
UK IR - renew yearly
UK cert of test (or however the @!#$ing system works) - yearly or something
USA license (multicultural, I am) - perm valid (Yay! cubed)
USA IR - part of the license privileges so half of a Yay!
USA medical - yearly
It used to be that time limited devices lapsed at the end of the month AND had an early 'grace' period that would revalidate commencing from the the end of the lapse month. No longer thanks to some bureaucratic d!ckhead. Now lots of things lapse are strictly by date of the time period.
Meanwhile there's my nursing quals: UK (3 yrs) , Oz NSW & Oz Qld (both yearly).
What a pain in the @rse.
I have:
Oz licence - permanently valid (Yay!)
Oz IR - renew yearly (boo hiss)
Oz instructor - two yearly
Oz medical - yearly
UK licence - national not JAR - perm. valid (another Yay!)
UK IR - renew yearly
UK cert of test (or however the @!#$ing system works) - yearly or something
USA license (multicultural, I am) - perm valid (Yay! cubed)
USA IR - part of the license privileges so half of a Yay!
USA medical - yearly
It used to be that time limited devices lapsed at the end of the month AND had an early 'grace' period that would revalidate commencing from the the end of the lapse month. No longer thanks to some bureaucratic d!ckhead. Now lots of things lapse are strictly by date of the time period.
Meanwhile there's my nursing quals: UK (3 yrs) , Oz NSW & Oz Qld (both yearly).
What a pain in the @rse.
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From: Arizona USA
A4 size?
For the visually challanged perhaps?
Now as for the FAA license, yes, a nice new multi-coloUred one (so i'm told)...but therein lies the problem.
Personally knew a chap some years ago who had 46 type ratings....his license went to four pages listing them all...
Later on this fellow became an FAA Inspector...and then the license stated...all categories, all ratings.
Expect he earned it, as he flew in the Berlin airlift, in a DC4, GCA approaches....nil visibility....ugh
Did my ATPL with this same fellow...his only comment was...'we coulda' had more fun in a DC-4.'
Sadly, I could only afford an AeroCommander.
Rats. 4 motors is BETTER.
For the visually challanged perhaps?
Now as for the FAA license, yes, a nice new multi-coloUred one (so i'm told)...but therein lies the problem.
Personally knew a chap some years ago who had 46 type ratings....his license went to four pages listing them all...
Later on this fellow became an FAA Inspector...and then the license stated...all categories, all ratings.
Expect he earned it, as he flew in the Berlin airlift, in a DC4, GCA approaches....nil visibility....ugh
Did my ATPL with this same fellow...his only comment was...'we coulda' had more fun in a DC-4.'
Sadly, I could only afford an AeroCommander.
Rats. 4 motors is BETTER.
Bringer of Wx
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From: London
I must agree the JAA PPL licence cover is really vile...somebody must've spent quite some time researching the colour swatches for that particular shade of baby-poo..almost as if meant as a veiled insult
Still, best not to worry about it and just use it.
I've always thought that a smart, frame-able certificate would be a nice touch, though - after all it does represent an achievement.
What do others think?
Jx
Still, best not to worry about it and just use it.
I've always thought that a smart, frame-able certificate would be a nice touch, though - after all it does represent an achievement.
What do others think?
Jx
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From: Witnesham, Suffolk
My serious licence is a wondrous document, on parchment, with coloured crest and embossed seal, Bishop's autograph in real ink (not facsimile), and valid till age 70. "Triennial flight reviews" are required to keep it current.
Now, if the CAA/JAA produced a document like that, people might not complain about the cost of a PPL, and might even frame it and hang it on the wall!
Now, if the CAA/JAA produced a document like that, people might not complain about the cost of a PPL, and might even frame it and hang it on the wall!
The Original Whirly
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From: Belper, Derbyshire, UK
dublinpilot,
I think I'll stick with my American bit of cardboard too. Quote from US website for getting fancy new licences:
*NOTE: In compliance with the policy dated July 23, 2002, airmen applying for a replacement certificate issued on the basis of a foreign license under 14 CFR Part 61, Section 61.75 or 14 CFR Part 63, Section 63.42, must complete and submit a Verification of Authenticity of Foreign License, Rating, and Medical Certification form to the Airmen Certification Branch and appear at a FSDO for positive identification to make application for a replacement certificate.
I think I'll stick with my American bit of cardboard too. Quote from US website for getting fancy new licences:
*NOTE: In compliance with the policy dated July 23, 2002, airmen applying for a replacement certificate issued on the basis of a foreign license under 14 CFR Part 61, Section 61.75 or 14 CFR Part 63, Section 63.42, must complete and submit a Verification of Authenticity of Foreign License, Rating, and Medical Certification form to the Airmen Certification Branch and appear at a FSDO for positive identification to make application for a replacement certificate.