"Difficult" Fields
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"Difficult" Fields
A few of us fly from interesting fields. For this I don't mean the heroes landing in 10ft on ice in their back pond in a reputedly deadly taildragger that was banned roughly about the time it first flew.
No, what I'm more interested in is any thoughts on "hard choices" for regular peeps. e.g. "my EFATO options are [school/pilons/CAA Big Cheese's Shed]
Place I fly from, well it's a ******. BIG steep forest from one departure. Hmmm.
No, what I'm more interested in is any thoughts on "hard choices" for regular peeps. e.g. "my EFATO options are [school/pilons/CAA Big Cheese's Shed]
Place I fly from, well it's a ******. BIG steep forest from one departure. Hmmm.
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From: Chichester, UK
I'm not sure what i'd do with an EFATO on Bembridge's Runway 12, and Compton Abbas looks 'interesting' too 
As for Goodwood, wish they had put the Rolls-Royce factory somewhere else. Still, it has a grass roof...
As for Goodwood, wish they had put the Rolls-Royce factory somewhere else. Still, it has a grass roof...
Why do it if it's not fun?
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From: Bournemouth
If lack of EFATO options is "difficult", then White Waltham would have to fall into that category. Especially runway 07, but 03 isn't much better.
But actually, I doubt that many people would claim to fly from a "difficult" field. That's because when you do something regularly, it becomes less difficult, so most people would probably regard their home field as easy. Right???
FFF
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But actually, I doubt that many people would claim to fly from a "difficult" field. That's because when you do something regularly, it becomes less difficult, so most people would probably regard their home field as easy. Right???
FFF
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I regularly take the Chippy into 'strips', but I'm only aware of one that we visited this year which the CAA had officially declared 'difficult'. That was the DH Moth rally, Woburn Strip. It seemed no worse than many farm strips - tall trees and lakes to avoid, and (IIRC) 550m.
As for problamatic EFATOs, 09 at Barton offers limited choices. I had a partial EFATO last year - and it was off 09!
SSD
As for problamatic EFATOs, 09 at Barton offers limited choices. I had a partial EFATO last year - and it was off 09!
SSD
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From: Midlands
Woburn
The main problem with Woburn is the extremely rough surface.
Whilst it has been improved, it has improved only from 'appalling' to 'pretty dreadful'.
However, the event is a must! Pure nostalgia!
A big garden party complete with lots of old planes (almost exclusively DH types), lots of flying going on, straw boaters, big frilly frocks and lashings of double cream.
If you fly in - you need to be on the case. In fact, you really really need to be on the case on departure - so easy to get thrown into the air prematurely on a bump and thereafter attempt to keep the thing in the air on the back of the drag curve.
Easy enough in a modern machine - tricky as a box of frogs in an old one, especially in a 90 crosswind as prevailed throughout the weekend.
Looking forward to next year already!
HP
Whilst it has been improved, it has improved only from 'appalling' to 'pretty dreadful'.
However, the event is a must! Pure nostalgia!
A big garden party complete with lots of old planes (almost exclusively DH types), lots of flying going on, straw boaters, big frilly frocks and lashings of double cream.
If you fly in - you need to be on the case. In fact, you really really need to be on the case on departure - so easy to get thrown into the air prematurely on a bump and thereafter attempt to keep the thing in the air on the back of the drag curve.
Easy enough in a modern machine - tricky as a box of frogs in an old one, especially in a 90 crosswind as prevailed throughout the weekend.
Looking forward to next year already!
HP
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Popham Runway 26 in still air or a gentle Southerly, particularly in a moderately fast aeroplane routinely scares me.
Otherwise, since unfortunately I'm the infamous pilot who pulled the gear off a PA28 after avoiding them - I'm never going near Chatteris again, any runway, until the farmer next door has finally bowed to legal and moral pressure, and removed the poles he's put up to obstruct landing aircraft.
P
Otherwise, since unfortunately I'm the infamous pilot who pulled the gear off a PA28 after avoiding them - I'm never going near Chatteris again, any runway, until the farmer next door has finally bowed to legal and moral pressure, and removed the poles he's put up to obstruct landing aircraft.
P
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Well, Paulo, that got 'em thinking!
EFATO at Southend off 24: land ahead (it's a long runway), otherwise right turn and into the fields.
Off 06 - land ahead, after which there's plenty of grass about.
Done those (not recently) when Ivan reckoned I needed to know what to do.
EFATO at Southend off 24: land ahead (it's a long runway), otherwise right turn and into the fields.
Off 06 - land ahead, after which there's plenty of grass about.
Done those (not recently) when Ivan reckoned I needed to know what to do.
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From: Hampshire
Southampton - 02 you have the M27 / Ford factory / built up area - although you might be able to reach Bitterne Park if sufficient height.
20 - railway works / built up area - may be able to reach cricket pitches on Chickenall Lane, again if sufficient height.
20 - railway works / built up area - may be able to reach cricket pitches on Chickenall Lane, again if sufficient height.
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From: Chichester, UK
I seem to remember a C152 (?) ending up in a sewage works after an EFATO from Southampton's runway 02 - SlipSlider, did you tell me about that one?
HelenD (or other EGHIer) - what do you get taught to do?
HelenD (or other EGHIer) - what do you get taught to do?
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From: Hornchurch, Essex
How about 36 at Clacton?? Plus landing there is always interesting with a public footpath running across to which the public have the right of way !! Anyone on it and you have to go around.
Not been to many but this has to be my most interesting.
Not been to many but this has to be my most interesting.
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Woburn - rough surfaces
Yep, Woburn was quite rough - but I reckon Barton's 09 is currently worse. As I taxied out a week ago today, approaching the holding area the bumps were just the wrong distance apart for the Chippy. Even at walking speed they hit a certain frequency where the whole aeroplane was bouncing bodily up and down in the level attitude - very uncomfortable for the 'larger gentleman', and my helmet banging on the canopy structure didn't help!
On takeoff, as Haireyplane says of Woburn, one gets launched by a big bump before take off speed is fully acheived. The Chippy is actually quite forgiving of 'back of the drag curve' take offs provide you don't attempt to climb away until a safe speed is achieved.
However, if the 'launch' is way too early, holding it in the air while the speed builds can use up precious runway - it's better to let it land again after the bump and accept a launch off a later one - when speed may be a tad higher.
SSD
On takeoff, as Haireyplane says of Woburn, one gets launched by a big bump before take off speed is fully acheived. The Chippy is actually quite forgiving of 'back of the drag curve' take offs provide you don't attempt to climb away until a safe speed is achieved.
However, if the 'launch' is way too early, holding it in the air while the speed builds can use up precious runway - it's better to let it land again after the bump and accept a launch off a later one - when speed may be a tad higher.
SSD
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From: Hants
Evo:
Perhaps its my really lousy memory, but I haven't been really taught to do anything off R20 except pray it doesn't happen: nothing there until you get to 500' or so. Take full backtrack!
Off R02 I think there are options off to the left. Man, I've gotta fly from elsewhere before it does become my turn
RR
(Another EGHIer)
Perhaps its my really lousy memory, but I haven't been really taught to do anything off R20 except pray it doesn't happen: nothing there until you get to 500' or so. Take full backtrack!
Off R02 I think there are options off to the left. Man, I've gotta fly from elsewhere before it does become my turn
RR
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From: Hampshire, UK
Evo, affirm! That was a practice EFATO on 03 (now 02) where the FI actually stopped the engine, and then couldn't re-start. FI left the club fairly soon afterwards .....
On 21 (well, it was 21 when I was learning!) at Southampton I got in the habit of back-tracking at least to the 1000' markers, and preferably a full back-track to the pan, to give more height at the boundary and therefore more options. However, now that EGHI is much busier, requesting a full back-track might at times leave you holding rather than flying. Like so many things in flying, its risk assessment and management.
Slip
On 21 (well, it was 21 when I was learning!) at Southampton I got in the habit of back-tracking at least to the 1000' markers, and preferably a full back-track to the pan, to give more height at the boundary and therefore more options. However, now that EGHI is much busier, requesting a full back-track might at times leave you holding rather than flying. Like so many things in flying, its risk assessment and management.
Slip