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WB627 23rd Aug 2022 13:04

Unable to see URL's
 
Is it just me or is anyone else having problems seeing posted URL's?


Saab Dastard 23rd Aug 2022 15:59

Examples, please?

SD

WB627 23rd Aug 2022 19:24


Originally Posted by Saab Dastard (Post 11283768)
Examples, please?

SD

Thanks SD

Its not all URL's but sometimes I can't even see the URL's I've posted, unless I go into edit mode!!!

Try these....

https://www.pprune.org/11283479-post3828.html

https://www.pprune.org/11283495-post3829.html

Oddly, I can see these on my phone :confused:


I think it could be me, my router has been playing up for a while and rang my ISP today and they are despatching me a new one :)

Saab Dastard 23rd Aug 2022 22:39

I second the thought that it's you - I've no problem with either of the posts with YT links you provided

nonsense 24th Aug 2022 00:56


Originally Posted by WB627 (Post 11283701)
Is it just me or is anyone else having problems seeing posted URL's?

You are not alone. This has been happening for many months.

Win7, Firefox 103.0.2 (32 bit)

Example:
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/644...l#post11283164


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3b60fbef51.png

Senior Pilot 24th Aug 2022 06:25


Originally Posted by nonsense (Post 11284015)
You are not alone. This has been happening for many months.

Win7, Firefox 103.0.2 (32 bit)

Example:
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/644...l#post11283164


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3b60fbef51.png

Nutty, no issues with that URL with my access, on iPad and on MB Pro 🤔. Source details (which we can access) shows nothing untoward either.

Twitter links are, however, often unstable and/or slow to load when you post them across the site.

Beamr 25th Aug 2022 09:30


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11284855)
Allegedly, could be any boat, anywhere.
Your twitter links are still invisible.

Must be an issue with your device, I can see the links perfectly (and have seen all the time).

Tartiflette Fan 25th Aug 2022 09:48


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11284857)
Must be an issue with your device, I can see the links perfectly (and have seen all the time).

Not just his: I don't see them on my PC either.

TWT 25th Aug 2022 09:57

I don't see Twitter links if I use Firefox for this thread.

But I do see Twitter links when I use Microsoft Edge.

( using W10 laptop )

Beamr 25th Aug 2022 10:06


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11284872)
Not just his: I don't see them on my PC either.


Originally Posted by TWT (Post 11284882)
I don't see Twitter links if I use Firefox for this thread.

But I do see Twitter links when I use Microsoft Edge.

( using W10 laptop )

hmm... I am using Chrome and works like a charm (Win10 laptop).

Sepp 25th Aug 2022 10:37

re: links - I can see them on my PC (using Firefox) and my Android phone (Chrome). I can't see them (unless quoted) on either of my iPads (Firefox).

Tartiflette Fan 25th Aug 2022 10:41

Whatever device is being used, this is a problem that has suddenly cropped up for some users in the last few days.

Ninthace 25th Aug 2022 11:34


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11284857)
Must be an issue with your device, I can see the links perfectly (and have seen all the time).

I cannot see them in Chrome or Firefox. I used to be able to and nothing has changed my end as far as I know and I am not the only one with the problem. They are visible in Safari on an iPad.

Geriaviator 25th Aug 2022 11:42

Re links: no problems on PC with W10 and Duckduckgo browser. Suggest you try clearing memory and cookies etc.

jimjim1 25th Aug 2022 14:54

1 Attachment(s)
Neither work for me as linked above, single posts. (uBlock Origin on or Off)
They both work in the thread. (with uBlock Origin enabled as usual).

I have long mentioned url weirdnesses on pprune; not complained, these are not inconvenient for me. I only mention it in case anyone wants to fix it.

I tried turning off uBlock Origin - no difference. I gathered some data which is in the attached pdf.

jimjim1 25th Aug 2022 15:06

Just to add -

"Its not all URL's but sometimes I can't even see the URL's I've posted, unless I go into edit mode!!!"

I have been in the habit of replying to my own posts to get URLs to work. They always seemed to work in replies. I have also replied to others posts for the same reason, without adding comment to the discussion.

I do not see it as much now although I don't think I post so often. For a while I always checked URLs I posted to see if they worked and replied right away if they didn't. They always worked in the replies. I noticed that they quite often would start to work after a while and I would delete the replies I had made earlier.

If anyone wants to look, maybe worth checking my old posts in this section?

It is not worrying me, it is a tiny problem and I have a workaround. Press reply and link from there, then dump the reply.

Senior Pilot 26th Aug 2022 03:24

IBJoel and IBMyke , please have Tech investigate these reports: thanks.

johngreen 26th Aug 2022 18:26

Just to add that I have found similar problems - using opera on Win7...

Ninthace 27th Aug 2022 08:44


Originally Posted by Geriaviator (Post 11284952)
Re links: no problems on PC with W10 and Duckduckgo browser. Suggest you try clearing memory and cookies etc.

My PC automatically cleans up cookies etc whenever I close my browser but I still have the issue. Running Win 10. Problem is the same with Firefox, Chrome and DuckDuck, CCleaner browser does not have the issue though.
One possible clue: the accept cookies screen flashes up and disappears before you can accept cookies in Firefox and Chrome but in CCleaner Browser the Cookies window stays up to accept cookies. Likewise, when running the Safari browser there is not an issue and the accept cookies window stays up.

WB627 27th Aug 2022 17:52

If it helps, I am using Google Chrome, I also have Microsoft Edge installed and that has the same problem with invisible urls. As noted by others, I can see them when I quote the post and if they are mine that I can't see, I can use edit to reveal them. My phone is Android and I can see all the urls I can't see on the PC.

Russian hackers?? Nutty have you been trolling Putin again?


MikeSnow 28th Aug 2022 00:46


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11286292)

These Twitter URLs behave stranger and stranger by the day. This particular one sent me to https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukrainian?src=hashtag_click instead of the displayed URL.

tdracer 28th Aug 2022 03:33

I started having issues with invisible links a couple weeks ago. Windows 11 with Edge (I had to buy a new computer recently when my old XP unit died - I wish Microsoft would stop "improving" things - this old dog doesn't want to have to learn new tricks).
It is annoying - I can see the links if I click 'quote', but the link then isn't clickable - I have to copy and paste into a new window.

nonsense 28th Aug 2022 15:46


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 11286373)
I started having issues with invisible links a couple weeks ago. Windows 11 with Edge (I had to buy a new computer recently when my old XP unit died - I wish Microsoft would stop "improving" things - this old dog doesn't want to have to learn new tricks).
It is annoying - I can see the links if I click 'quote', but the link then isn't clickable - I have to copy and paste into a new window.


I also use "quote" to see the missing text, but because of the way the PPRUNE version of phpBB3 handles links, if there is text associated with the url, I cannot see the url, only the text. In the version we use in a much smaller board that I help manage, I would see the codes and the url too, something like this:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....630713934c.gif
(I had to use an image, because another feature not present here is disabling BBCode to display what is actaully typed, not what it tells the system to display)

MarcK 28th Aug 2022 19:57

One problem is that some URLs are not url-quoted. For instance: I guess that's because users don't use the link button.

Jhieminga 29th Aug 2022 10:08

The software is sometimes a bit too smart. Just copying a link into a post automatically (should) produce URL tags which (behind the scenes) work as nonsense posted above. You don't have to use the link button for that to happen. There are instances though where the software somehow doesn't automatically recognise the link, or treats it differently. That's when things get confusing.

This is similar to the confusion arising when posting Flickr embed codes. As there are two links hiding in that bit of code, it will produce two preview boxes with your image in them. Something similar happens with Youtube links (sometimes). If you ask me, I could use a 'disable automatic link parsing' option....

Ninthace 30th Aug 2022 22:10


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11285989)
My PC automatically cleans up cookies etc whenever I close my browser but I still have the issue. Running Win 10. Problem is the same with Firefox, Chrome and DuckDuck, CCleaner browser does not have the issue though.
One possible clue: the accept cookies screen flashes up and disappears before you can accept cookies in Firefox and Chrome but in CCleaner Browser the Cookies window stays up to accept cookies. Likewise, when running the Safari browser there is not an issue and the accept cookies window stays up.

The issue is now popping up in Cachecleaner Briwser too. Nutlooses latest post, the URLs had disappeared. URLs for the same post post are also invisibile in Safari on an iPad.

FlightDetent 31st Aug 2022 07:34

Twitter links and preview element
 
Good morning everyone.

I kindly suggest to sort out the Twitter link situation by PPRuNe keeping(*) both the link and the embedded preview frame - which is not the case now. Although YouTube links are handled exactly that way already.

CASE:
Plain direct links Twitter posted by users are transformed into previews for enhanced viewing and possbily also for a few technical and commercial reasons. It is a nice feature afterall, also available on many other websites.

Post #8861 PPRuNe Forums - View Single Post - Is Ukraine about to have a war?

The way it is intended to display:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....aa9bafdb0e.jpg


And here is what happens to it for multiple varied reasons:
i) beyond PPRuNE control and technical reach
ii) beyond reader's understanding or IT prowess

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....61ea9b7ada.jpg


The marked red space is where two Twitter links went missing.

BTW: when quoting an "emptied" post, the links are transferred to the editor. Luckily we even have two syntax examples here:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....48e918928a.png

At the same time, when viewing the empty space the way it is rendered, there is no selectable content delivered by the browser.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f096bde749.png







FlightDetent 31st Aug 2022 07:47

SUGGESTION:

Can we handle this same as the YouTube links? Where a preview is provided but the original link is also preserved?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....981a2ad21d.jpg

The magic of this solution, which is missing in the way Twitter links are handled, is that if the preview panel does not load the user retains the possiblity to follow the linked source.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d6de44c1a1.jpg

Keeping the link in addition to the preview element would be a great help.

FlightDetent 31st Aug 2022 07:50


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11288014)
The issue is now popping up in Cachecleaner Briwser too. Nutlooses latest post, the URLs had disappeared. URLs for the same post post are also invisibile in Safari on an iPad.

Twitter links and preview element - PPRuNe Forums what do you think?

Beamr 31st Aug 2022 09:48


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11288211)
This might start mumurings in Russia, recruiting conscripts from Moscow and St Petersberg.

the links are getting weirder by the day. Now by clicking the link you provided just gives me the message "Gone".

I backtracked the link and believe I found what you linked, how does this open to others?

EDIT: or, how about linking as plain text for others to copy/paste? twitter.com/LvivJournal/status/1564896255804940288

NutLoose 31st Aug 2022 10:28

Had the same problem last night it would not link to pages the whole site has problems, I tried a quote yesterday and got this, have removed the ['s so you can see it

QUOTE][QUOTE[/QUOTE[/QUOTE

I was told by using the chain image above you could add sites, tried that as well to no avail, BTW both my and your identical quote links work here.

Jhieminga 31st Aug 2022 10:51


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 11288142)
And here is what happens to it for multiple varied reasons:
i) beyond PPRuNE control and technical reach
ii) beyond reader's understanding or IT prowess

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....61ea9b7ada.jpg


Not a solution, but I have noticed that when the details about the poster (in this case NutLoose) are expanded as shown in the screenshot above, this means that the page has not finished loading for some reason. I often see this happening on my mobile, not on my laptop. The delay that is slowing down page loading could be related to the forum software looking up needed details on those Twitter links. Wait a bit longer or reload and (hopefully) they should show up. That is what happens on my phone....

FlightDetent 31st Aug 2022 11:29


Originally Posted by Jhieminga (Post 11288265)
Not a solution, but I have noticed that when the details about the poster (in this case NutLoose) are expanded as shown in the screenshot above, this means that the page has not finished loading for some reason. I often see this happening on my mobile, not on my laptop. The delay that is slowing down page loading could be related to the forum software looking up needed details on those Twitter links. Wait a bit longer or reload and (hopefully) they should show up. That is what happens on my phone....

That observation is shared. Loading the web on a mobile device keeps the expanded user data in view until it is all correctly received.

However, that specific behaviour is independent of the Twitter preview element in my case. That issue is easily understood becasue Twitter is blocked by the ISP altogether. VPN on = previews show / VPN off = all Twitter links missing. Repeated and replicated in a controlled manner. Same for YouTube and that is how I got the screens for the other post.

The expanded user data seems to depend on the quality and stability of the connection to PPRuNe servers, which is often dubious. Sometimes I get stuck with it but not on every occasion. Use of VPN can either improve it or cause it, depends on the day.

MarcK 1st Sep 2022 02:56

The problem is on PpRune's end. They are wrapping the URL in a redirect, but don't expand the redirect correctly when clicked;This started out as h t tp s: //www.pprune.org/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dialog.ua%2Fblogs%2F257991_16619 67729, but the redirect didn't work properly.

Saab Dastard 1st Sep 2022 10:08

Marck,

Thanks, I pointed this exact problem out to IB Tech back in June, with a workaround for moderators: if you Edit a post with a broken link and save it without changing anything, it fixes the links. A standard user can probably do that to their own posts but I've not tried.

SD

spekesoftly 1st Sep 2022 10:17


Originally Posted by Saab Dastard (Post 11288866)
.......... A standard user can probably do that to their own posts but I've not tried.

SD

It worked for me thanks SD

Edit: But it didn't last for long. After a few hours the link had disappeared again.



NutLoose 1st Sep 2022 11:40

Even when posting and trying to use the chain link (Ctrl K) it does not work, I have started to add the link that some including myself cannot always see and also in quotations that the MODS do not like as they have to open the links, that way hopefully as I have posted both they can see the content, even though the rest of us can't, this PC is on windows 10 and Firefox, or Microdross Edge and cannot see them other PC on 11 and firefox can, as can my Ipad....

Tartiflette Fan 1st Sep 2022 16:03

Technical problems with Pprune
 
There are currently many complaints about mangled and non-functional links on the Military Aviation forum about unfollowable links/videos> I would like to add to that the updating of posts when you log on to the site. I am using a pc with brave browser and when I log on, the last post as listed on the "face page " may be completely outdated.

IBJoel 1st Sep 2022 19:51

Are you accepting all cookies from PPRuNe? If you are, but still experiencing the problem, could you link me to a post that contains a link experiencing the issue? All external links I've clicked on in this thread have functioned correctly.

MechEngr 1st Sep 2022 20:16


Originally Posted by IBJoel (Post 11289148)
Are you accepting all cookies from PPRuNe? If you are, but still experiencing the problem, could you link me to a post that contains a link experiencing the issue? All external links I've clicked on in this thread have functioned correctly.

I use NoScript, with pprune.org the only one running scripts. This change in behavior is new; I presume something has changed - does it use a cookie provider or other script?


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