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Lonewolf_50 29th Dec 2023 00:49

Let's see, people got injured due to turbulence, and you lot run amok about cabin service as regards food and beverage?

Here's tuppence, go and rent a clue.

Wycombe 29th Dec 2023 08:19


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11563624)
Let's see, people got injured due to turbulence, and you lot run amok about cabin service as regards food and beverage?

Here's tuppence, go and rent a clue.

Little, actually nothing (that I have seen) has been reported about the incident - and the UK media especially love picking-up on the slightest, often very minor aviation incident - so one can only assume that nothing serious has occured. Even the jungle drums from within the industry, or from people who were involved, have been silent.

If that had not been the case, I suspect that the way this thread has gone would have been very different.

Have your tuppence back!

SWBKCB 29th Dec 2023 08:27

Why is the a/c involved still in Bermuda since 24/12?

Kakpipe Cosmonaut 29th Dec 2023 13:47


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11563745)
Why is the a/c involved still in Bermuda since 24/12?

Engineering rumour is that it has a SERIOUS structural issue.

wowzz 29th Dec 2023 15:35


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 11563438)
A friend of mine flew out on Maleth from Gatwick saying it was one of the worst flights she has ever been on (she is a very experienced traveller), the food was awful and very few drinks and of course no IFE. She contacted me saying this was not what she expected from P&O and dreading the return flight.

To clarify, food quality is down to P&O, not Maleth, and drink service in the economy cabin is restricted on both TUI and Maleth flights.
Not sure what she expected for a charter flight on a cheap cruise holiday. Perhaps next time she should book with a more upmarket cruise line, and fly on a scheduled service, and pay accordingly !

wowzz 30th Dec 2023 08:43


Originally Posted by Kakpipe Cosmonaut (Post 11563939)
Engineering rumour is that it has a SERIOUS structural issue.

Due to depart today I believe, bound for MAN.

Lonewolf_50 30th Dec 2023 14:53


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11563740)
Have your tuppence back!

Thank you, the tax man cometh. :uhoh:


Originally Posted by wowzz
Due to depart today I believe, bound for MAN.

Empty, or with people in it? If the former, that might point to more damage than if the latter.

wowzz 30th Dec 2023 15:34


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11564578)
Thank you, the tax man cometh. :uhoh:

Empty, or with people in it? If the former, that might point to more damage than if the latter.

Departing empty. The stranded pax flew back to the UK on Boxing Day (iirc) on a replacement aircraft.
I would have thought that if additional engineering work was required, the aircraft would have positioned to somewhere other than MAN.

SWBKCB 30th Dec 2023 15:46

STS at MAN could probably cope with any work required, they've already looked after one striken 330 this week

SpringHeeledJack 30th Dec 2023 18:29


STS at MAN could probably cope with any work required, they've already looked after one striken 330 this week
​​​​​​​Was that the wingtip oopsie ?

SWBKCB 30th Dec 2023 18:32

Yes :ok:

wowzz 30th Dec 2023 23:03


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11564618)
STS at MAN could probably cope with any work required, they've already looked after one striken 330 this week

Thanks for the information. It would be interesting to know what engineering work is required, but I guess that is not for general consumption?

Wycombe 31st Dec 2023 11:35


Originally Posted by wowzz (Post 11564823)
Thanks for the information. It would be interesting to know what engineering work is required, but I guess that is not for general consumption?

A/C in question (9H-MFS) is now back in MAN, having arrived at around 8.30 last night

Win Win 31st Dec 2023 16:06

Maleth mess
 

Originally Posted by wowzz (Post 11563980)
To clarify, food quality is down to P&O, not Maleth, and drink service in the economy cabin is restricted on both TUI and Maleth flights.
Not sure what she expected for a charter flight on a cheap cruise holiday. Perhaps next time she should book with a more upmarket cruise line, and fly on a scheduled service, and pay accordingly !

we’re on P&O’s Arvia as I text this, the bottom line is P&O’s operational management is an absolute shambles, we currently have 24 outstanding “concerns” after the first of two weeks cruise. I honestly believe that it’s P&O’s lack of ability to organise that putting these flight operations under distress. P&O screwed up big time and Maleth are carrying the can, and it’s obviously now highlighting safety concerns, latest apparently was a crew out of hours so ships been stuck in Antigua because we had to wait until 01.30 to unload pax for the flight back…place looked like a refugee camp and our Tortola stop has been cancelled. Use P&O at your peril!!

wowzz 1st Jan 2024 00:05


Originally Posted by Win Win (Post 11565183)
we’re on P&O’s Arvia as I text this, the bottom line is P&O’s operational management is an absolute shambles, we currently have 24 outstanding “concerns” after the first of two weeks cruise. I honestly believe that it’s P&O’s lack of ability to organise that putting these flight operations under distress. P&O screwed up big time and Maleth are carrying the can, and it’s obviously now highlighting safety concerns, latest apparently was a crew out of hours so ships been stuck in Antigua because we had to wait until 01.30 to unload pax for the flight back…place looked like a refugee camp and our Tortola stop has been cancelled. Use P&O at your peril!!

I think that P&O's inability to find a carrier that can transport 2000+ pax over a weekend is gradually bringing the whole cruising model into meltdown mode.
Basically, P&O have more passenger berths available than there are flight seats. Given the hole they were in, P&O options were virtually none. Aero Maleth were their only option, and an expensive one at that.
In all honesty, I'm not sure how P&O can get out of this mess.
It appears that they will soon start selling cruise only fares, but given the cost of scheduled flights, these new fares will need to be very cheap indeed.
But, cruise ships make money at 60/70% capacity, so P&O perhaps aren't too worried. Carnival plc may have a different point of view!

Klauss 1st Jan 2024 14:55

diversion timing
 
Hi, I read a lot about passengers and P&O troubles with logistics. What about the flight ? Have details emerged, like when / where the turbulence struck ?
Thanks

Menavour 2nd Jan 2024 14:53


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11562631)
I spoke to some people on our last day on board Britannia (2nd Dec) who had just paid £600pp to stay onboard for another 2 weeks - whilst I suspect this was a "one-off" to sell remaining cabins and not indicative of future pricing, that was a bargain and I was tempted!

It looks like the poor people who were stuck in Bermuda over xmas at P&O/Maleth or an insurer's expense are now finally en-route back to MAN.

Those poor people were put up at 5 star Hamilton Palace where I am staying over Christmas and New Year.Whilst very sorry for their experience and plight I had to apologise to fellow residents for the behaviour of some of their number during the days they were here.

Wycombe 3rd Jan 2024 15:11


Originally Posted by Menavour (Post 11566488)
Those poor people were put up at 5 star Hamilton Palace where I am staying over Christmas and New Year.Whilst very sorry for their experience and plight I had to apologise to fellow residents for the behaviour of some of their number during the days they were here.

I guess they were drowning their sorrows, not that I am in anyway condoning inappropriate behaviour.

Misbehave onboard and there's a fairly good chance you'll be booted off at the next port and left to make your way home at your own expense - for those not aware this happens on a fairly regular basis - I heard that a few were treated as such (being expelled in Madeira) on Britannia's "positioning" transatlantic cruise (from Southampton base to Barbados) for the current winter season.

davidjpowell 3rd Jan 2024 15:37


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11567442)
I guess they were drowning their sorrows, not that I am in anyway condoning inappropriate behaviour.

Misbehave onboard and there's a fairly good chance you'll be booted off at the next port and left to make your way home at your own expense - for those not aware this happens on a fairly regular basis - I heard that a few were treated as such (being expelled in Madeira) on Britannia's "positioning" transatlantic cruise (from Southampton base to Barbados) for the current winter season.

Like wise on Arvia. 2 couples left on Tortola after fighting, and 2 people left after becoming 'over familiar' in one of the hot tubs...

There is an interesting little squabble on the forums caused by the knock on to this on the following weeks flight, where passengers are claiming that the outbound crew to Antigua (delayed), then turned around flew the return. Seems somewhat illegal and highly unlikely to me.

Win Win 4th Jan 2024 23:15

Does anyone have any info on Maleth 9H-MFS that had the diversion last week, last flight was from Bermuda to Manchester empty and was supposed to position from Manchester to Gatwick @17.00 today but it doesn’t look like it happened, is there still a question mark over this airframe?


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